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I may be speaking falsely here, but I want to say that EarthX has a battery with thermal protection, at least in prototype form. They do have a bms with under and over voltage for sure.
Last edited by coleasterling; 01-01-2023 at 09:31 PM.
I contacted both Ballistic Performance Components and Braille Battery regarding this topic. Both said their batteries do not meet the rules. The response I got from Braille was more in depth and stated that the batteries they make have short circuit/over voltage protection, but lack undervoltage protection to eliminate an extra failure point that can be a safety hazard (can cause powered systems to shut off on the track) and reduce cost and size. The description goes even more in depth about the safety of their batteries (which you will find in Indy, DTM, Formula 1, etc...).
I'm sure many other lithium batteries have the same certifications and low risk of failure as Braille.
University of Florida - Gator Motorsports
Project Manager (2012 - 2013)
Electrical System Leader (2010 - 2015)
Powertrain/Engine Tuner (2011 - 2015)
Forward it to the RC?
The previous rules exempted lithium iron phosphate from the rule (IC4.4.4) which regulates lithium batteries.
This seems to be due to a change in the EV rules. New EV rule for 2015:
Previous EV rules (from 2014):EV3.1.2 There are no concessions for using LiFePO4 chemistry cells.
Specifics from 2014 EV:EV3.1.2 If the cells that are used in the accumulator are based on LiFePO4, then some regulations do not
apply, see EV3.4.8 and EV3.6.6.
-Accumulator segments must be separated by electrically insulating barrier. For non-LiFePO4, barrier must be fire resistant
-Temperature of at least 30% of cells must be monitored by AMS, for lithium based cells except LiFePO4
-GLV Battery packs based on Lithium Chemistry other than LiFePO4 must have over voltage, under voltage, short circuit and over temperature cell protection and be separated from the driver with a firewall.
They even said they were going to make this change (here's from the 2014 rules):
and then they applied the proposed EV change (which many IC people probably didn't even read) to the IC rules as well.T15.12 EVs: For EVs the committee is considering the following regulations changes:
....
- treat LiFePO4 cells the same as Li-Ion cells
....
Andrew Palardy
Kettering University - Computer Engineering, FSAE, Clean Snowmobile Challenge
Williams International - Commercial Turbofan Controls and Accessories
"Sometimes, the elegant implementation is a function. Not a method. Not a class. Not a framework. Just a function." ~ John Carmack
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" ~Arthur C. Clarke
University of Florida - Gator Motorsports
Project Manager (2012 - 2013)
Electrical System Leader (2010 - 2015)
Powertrain/Engine Tuner (2011 - 2015)
That's awesome that Braille offered to talk to the RC.
I hope the RC reconsiders, because I kinda like the Shorai LiFePO4 batteries we have run for 2 years now (no issues, we do put it behind the firewall).
Andrew Palardy
Kettering University - Computer Engineering, FSAE, Clean Snowmobile Challenge
Williams International - Commercial Turbofan Controls and Accessories
"Sometimes, the elegant implementation is a function. Not a method. Not a class. Not a framework. Just a function." ~ John Carmack
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" ~Arthur C. Clarke
This is the response I got. As far as I know, they didn't attempt to contact Braille and talk about this.Originally Posted by Rules Committee
University of Florida - Gator Motorsports
Project Manager (2012 - 2013)
Electrical System Leader (2010 - 2015)
Powertrain/Engine Tuner (2011 - 2015)
In my experiences, lead acid cells should also not be over charged or over temped as well. Lead acid batteries when overcharged or over temped tend to release flammable hydrogen gas and spew sulfuric acid if it comes unsealed. Sometimes when charging, they'll outright explode... I guess now that all of the common lithium cells are protected by the BMS only teams with a shorted lead acid battery will burst into flames.
Kettering University Vehicle Dynamics
Formula SAE 2010 - 2015
Clean Snowmobile Powertrain 2012 - 2015
Boogityland 2015 - Present
"There are multiple companies making Lithium 12V batteries which include the safety systems required in the FSAE rules".
We have not been able to find any batteries with "temperature cell protection". Can somebody share their findings?
Krister
Lund Unversity Formula Student Team
Sweden