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Good points. My feeling is that once a few spindle and bearing sets are tested (you don't need a K&C machine to do this, just a fixture) a common stiffness
in camber and steer will address all the...

The best news from it is that Honda UK has an Anthony Best Dynamics SPMM (K&C) machine which was used to get FSAE car data. So now a strategy could be to beg, borrow, or steal some results from...

Food for thought.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1IyYhWON1BtjY9Igdz0zlziZZN_7az3Yo

Or is this an Anthony Best result ???1371

Yep, I thought I recognized Morse Measurements results...1369

The Fy input at "Zero Offset" I presume to mean that the force is applied at the wheel plate directly below the spindle center point at "the Ground"

The measurements pick out the separate steer...

When I hired in to GMPG, they had a machine in addition to the Chevy VHF in Warren) loaded by pumping water in and out of tanks to alter loads. I also remember a Lotus rig that Jack Turner (r.i.p.)...

Have you seen this presentation I had Pat post on the Facebook FSAE site ?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1IyYhWON1BtjY9Igdz0zlziZZN_7az3Yo

I have a rear compliance effects deal waiting...

I'm not seeing a huge range of fit quality if the transfer function in Bode Form are used. Yes the resulting damping and frequency parameters that you would obtain will be different.

2 Examples: ...

For a first round experiment, this looks very good ! First suggestion would be to improve/reduce speed variation. With constant speed, you eliminate a very important state variable.

Next...

What happens in the Lounge should stay in the lounge. It is obviously flawed. SNAFU.

I can and will help you with this, but the conversation must take place in the TTC forum, otherwise Gods...

The general rule is that there is actually one ONE steering gear mount. This mount is used to deliver the prescribed transmissibility, understeer, durability and crash barrier intrusion.

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Here are my thoughts based on 40 years in the industry:

Weight: sure. Some will believe the sprung C.G. location will benefit.

Ratio: There is no such thing as a 'steer ratio' with a rack &...

Actually, there is a well correlated factor "Steering Work Gain Sensitivity" that Ken Norman references in his paper:

K.D. Norman, Objective Evaluation of On-Center
handling Performance, SAE...

This one's still my favorite: Measured understeer of my boat. (The fix for it is a 5 blade Mercury Hi-Five ported prop. K=slightly negative).

All you need is forward speed and yaw velocity...

One more Beauty Shot. We are limited to only 5 at a time...1342

I always take a pragmatic approach to working these situations, so, here goes:

I believe in using analysis and synthesis techniques that have Face Validity. My evaluations, testing and problem...

I wold be interested in the details (parameters) used in your model:

front and rear weights
wheelbase
tire brand, size, pressure, rim-width (assuming TTC data is available). [don't need the data...

Fun with data mining. Sort of makes a 4 cyl a good place to start, eh ? Which event section gets the most Brownie P1333oints ?

Comparison(s)1332

Until I figure out how to add images to the reddit forum, here is an example of the plot labeling I mentioned. User selectable and removable labels with pertinent data.1328

Done with:
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Your's car's 'steering effort' problem is a design issue, not a disease. A couple of questions, first:

Who are you and what team ? (To beat Claude to the question).

What are the measurements...

Well of course there is/will be TTC tested data. I'd also want the see the results that GOODYEAR has produced on THEIR OWN machinery back in Ohio or Luxemburg or Terra Del Fuego, etc.

This would...

I would hope that some usable force & moment data would accompany the purchase of these tires. Would make a handy comparison to the TIRF equivalent.

The 2 processes are essentially interchangeable. Each one promotes a set of constitutive describing functions based on gain, damping and natural frequency. What makes FSAE cars so special is their...