Formula SAE Michigan 2010 Competition: - Updates, Pictures, Stories, and More

[Mike Cook]

Well, boys and girls, its getting close. I hope everyones ready to rock and roll.

WEATHER, hopefully it wont rain the whole event:

May 12 Wednesday
A few thunderstorms possible. Highs in the mid 70s and lows in the mid 50s.
May 13 Thursday
Slight chance of a thunderstorm. Highs in the low 70s and lows in the low 50s.
May 14 Friday
Chance of showers. Highs in the low 70s and lows in the low 50s.
May 15 Saturday
Showers possible. Highs in the low 70s and lows in the low 50s.

[Mike Cook]

Well, boys and girls, its getting close. I hope everyones ready to rock and roll.

WEATHER, hopefully it wont rain the whole event:

May 12 Wednesday
A few thunderstorms possible. Highs in the mid 70s and lows in the mid 50s.
May 13 Thursday
Slight chance of a thunderstorm. Highs in the low 70s and lows in the low 50s.
May 14 Friday
Chance of showers. Highs in the low 70s and lows in the low 50s.
May 15 Saturday
Showers possible. Highs in the low 70s and lows in the low 50s.

[Hector]

Any person who can predict weather that far ahead in Michigan isn't a meteorologist; they are a prophet.

[RacingManiac]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hector:
Any person who can predict weather that far ahead in Michigan isn't a meteorologist; they are a prophet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
QFT....

Weather forcast here is completely pointless...Its funny that last week was all sunny and nice and as the competition draws near it starts to feel like normal FSAE weather...

[RiNaZ]

I looked around and it seems that most of the hotels are about 20 miles out. Is there any closer hotel around the area? where is everybody staying?

[Jersey Tom]

Hoping to get up there for a day.. we'll see. Going to be some crazy travel schedule.

[Zac]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RiNaZ:
I looked around and it seems that most of the hotels are about 20 miles out. Is there any closer hotel around the area? where is everybody staying? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's a super 8 less than 5 minutes from the track that is actually quite nice. For some reason it has a ballroom.

[Drew Price]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zac:
For some reason it has a ballroom. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


(!!!!!!!!!!!)


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2151/2126852897_9d9da53d36.jpg


Best,
Drew

[Drew Price]

*photo coming*

[Zac]

ballroom unfortunately =/= ballpit.

[pablo180]

Anyone here coming in from Europe? 2 of us tried to get into Michigan today coming in from London Heathrow, however the volcanic ash had other plans for us. Stuck in New York at JFK airport as the delay cause us to miss our connecting flight by 30 minutes....here for the next 12 hours.

Pablo
Oxford Brookes Univ.

[smb96]

Hey Pablo,

6 of us are already here, but the rest is coming hopefully.

[mech5496]

Hmmm I'm really worried about that stupid volcano... We are about to fly tomorrow from Greece and let's hope we will have no problems either here or in Amsterdam where we will get our connecting flight

[mech5496]

We made it! We are at Detroit finally, no problems with the volcanic ash except a two-hour delay in our connecting flight from Amsterdam...

[Drew Price]

The news stations here in U.S. have nearly quit covering the air travel madness from the volcano in exchange for covering the spreading oil slick from the sunken oil derrick in the Gulf of Mexico, so here's hoping that you all make it through ok with plenty of time to spare.

Best,
Drew

[Mikey Antonakakis]

Can't wait to see you guys there!

[The AFX Master]

I've always tought that climate at Michigan relies on a switch that Claude hides on his briefcase...

[d.madnick]

The weather is looking halfway decent for tech tomorrow. It was real tough working in the pouring rain today inside the trailer.

Good Luck to everyone, have fun, and stop by our trailer to check out our car!

[Mike Cook]

Just want to say that it snowed in PA on the way to Detroit today. Awesome.

[Ppada]

Finding Problems with passing the car through the customs office.... and it isn't delivered yet.! Can anyone help?

[Maverik]

Any preliminary results on the static events? I heard of a few schools that made design semis, but haven't seen anything official yet.

[Funky Luke]

Design semifinalists (c) TUG ;-)

http://twitpic.com/1niom7/full

[Funky Luke]

Repost (last post was held for approvement)

Design semifinalists brought to you by TUG ;-)
Notably absent: Rennteam Stuttgart. This was quite a surprise for me:

http://twitpic.com/1niom7/full

[Erich Ohlde]

KU and TU Graz are in Semis.
Stuttgart isn't.
don't know about other schools.
UTA is rocking a turbo 250 single
MS&T has a strangely similar car

[Frank "Ruska" Roeske]

Semis

Graz TU
Munich TU
MS&T
Oregon
Kansas
Laval
Cornell
Florida U
Michigan Dearborn
ETS
Queens i think (Car 13)
Penn State

Not sure who else

[Michael Jones]

Congrats to semifinalists. Lots of excellent contenders (and great to see Cornell back in the fold...) Good luck in the first dynamic events tomorrow.

[Trevor]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frank "Ruska" Roeske:
Semis

Graz TU
Munich TU
MS&T
Oregon
Kansas
Laval
Cornell
Florida U
Michigan Dearborn
ETS
Queens i think (Car 13)
Penn State

Not sure who else </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not to raise another whole issue, but the "Oregon State" car is really a Global Formula Racing car, a collaborative effort by Oregon State and Duale Hochschule Baden-Württemberg Ravensburg.

Posting short news bits at: http://www.global-formula-racing.com/en/home

[The AFX Master]

When i did see "UTA 250 Turbo", Great memories came to my mind...Sadly,it isn't a four banger.. But, hell!, nice job!.. And also nice seeing Cornell again on the track doing well.
Waiting for some AutoX Videos tomorrow.

Off course, cheering for my team up there.. I'm not getting any responsibility for Yellow And Black filling your mirrors http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[StephenAero]

Don't forget:

The University of Maryland made it to design semis as well. This is quite surprising considering TU Graz is in the same design queue as us!

-Stephen Chung
Terps Racing
Official Team Freshman

[SNasello]

Congrats to Queen's for making design semi's. I know those guys have been working incredibly hard this year. Could someone confirm that they actually made it because Queen's is car 38.

Also congrats to all the other design semi finalists and good luck to all teams in the dynamic events today.

[bob.paasch]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SNasello:
Could someone confirm that they actually made it because Queen's is car 38.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, Queens was in design semi's.

[2BWise]

Good luck with the dynamic events. Looks like weather has turned around just in time. I'm going to have to come check out the festivities tomorrow.

[TMichaels]

No news? What is going on over there?

Regards,

Tobias

[Pennyman]

Man, this thread has worse coverage than SPEED does of F1...

Looking forward to some eye (and brain) candy. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[FSTeamTallinn]

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[Funky Luke]

Hey guys,

You can get some information out of the social net work channels of some of the teams.

See Twitter (fsteams) (http://twitter.com/FormulaStudent/fsteams) for twitter coverage of TUFast, TUG and Stuttgart.
See Facebook for (mostly team-related coverage of TUG Stuttgart.
On TUG's webpage (http://racing.tugraz.at) are Photos of some scoresheets.

Have fun,
Luke

[BradyJ]

And I thought I was just being unreasonable about my thirst for news! Some teams are up on Twitter at fstotal.

Last I heard was that TU Graz, ETS and Global Formula Racing (Oregon State) were in design finals. Surprised that Stuttgart wasn't there...

But that was all done yesterday...

Anyone have a list of finalists for completed events? (Cost, Presentation, and the dynamics??)

[Funky Luke]

you could check the TU Graz site, they have some scoresheet Pics.

also, check http://twitter.com/#/list/FormulaStudent/fsteams for Updates from STuttgart, TU gRaz and Munich.

[Funky Luke]

Check out the TU Graz site, they have some Scoresheet Pics.
You should also check the fsteams List ( twitter.com/ #/ list/ FormulaStudent/ fsteams) for Updates from stuttgart, Munich and TUG.

But they are mostly specific to their respective teams, few general information.

[AxelRipper]

cant find much updated about the competition... anyone know where autocross scores are posted if at all?

[BradyJ]

You Tankia guys are awesome - those score sheets are a god send!

Nice videos as well... http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Hagmuller]

What is the brake specific fuel consumption of the 250 turbo cars?

[Maverik]

Congrats to all the teams so far, good luck for tomorrow in the enduro!

[Ye Olde Blue]

Any results from Autocross? Endurance group numbers?

[J. Vinella]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frank "Ruska" Roeske:
Semis

Oregon
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, the ducks built a car? With no engineering department that is impressive. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

GO BEAVERS!

[flavorPacket]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ye Olde Blue:
Any results from Autocross? Endurance group numbers? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

autox was something like this:

stuttgart
OSU
Maryland
Michigan
UMR
TUG
RIT

[flavorPacket]

here are some unofficial point totals. note that these assume all design finalists score 150 points:

1) TUG 528
2) OSU 522
3) Michigan 508
4) ETS 505
5) Maryland 501
6) RIT 488
7) Stuttgart 487
8) UMR 487

I may have missed some teams, but I am tired. Apologies if I skipped someone.

[Gint]

For those who have waited for some eye candy, here is Michigan Ann Arbor's 3.766 second acceleration run in high def:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swwt34FET0I

We took plenty of high def acceleration videos for many other teams (not all unfortunately), however youtube likes to take its time uploading and processing HD videos. If anyone has any requests for their team's video please contact myself and an effort will be made to get it up on youtube and the video files in your hands for promotional use.

Congrats to Michigan Ann Arbor for winning the 2010 Acceleration Event!

[The AFX Master]

Oh hell yeah!!!

We are going top 20 on all the events to date.. I'm specially happy due to the fact that the guys got their government fund approbation(yes, government decides if we are worth to spend our own money!!) almost a day before leaving Venezuela!..

Our team is celebrating 10 years, and such results are way motivating for us all..

The most remarkable thing i see from this comp (i'm not there), is the fact that Global Racing Team is doing extremely well, being a joint effort between universities so far placed between. I've read on fstotal that Delft and Stuttgart are doing something similar to build an electric car..

Seems to be that FSAE is going to be a partnership fest on the foreseeable future?.. A nice idea from the engineer formation standpoint.

Nice to see tough competition, for sure, the 2010 top 10 will be a battle worth watching tomorrow!.. need for a live feed ala FS Germany.

Good luck to all, and pray to the racing gods all night long for enduro luck!

[BradyJ]

I was hoping that Global Formula Racing would make it on the map!

You might want to recheck the date on that Stuttgart/TU Delft story...does April Fools exist in Venezuela?

Here's to a high completion rate in endurance - keep us alumni updated!

[The AFX Master]

lol @ BradyJ!... I had just believed on that article right away from reading :P

There's no April fools here, In fact, such "prank anyone mercilessly" day is December 28, or "The day of the Innocent"..

[TMichaels]

Regarding the lack of information:
In general: What would you like the organisers to provide during the event?
Scores as soon as possible?
Current Scrutineering status incl. weight etc?

Tell your wishes and we will have a thorough look at it http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Regards,

Tobias

[Jeong-neon Kim]

Formula student TV of 2009 FSG was very impressive. Does anyone have pictures of MIS?
Our guys have not sent any picture yet.
Thirst of all members in Korea is very urgent~

Please say hello to KORA guys in the sight :-)

[Mike Cook]

Pretty fast times in the dynamic events - very competitive.

In acceleration, michigan ran a 3.77, we came in behind them with a 3.82. I dont think any one else was below a 4.0

In skid pad, we took the win with a 4.95, with several teams close to us.

Someone already gave out the autocross results, and it looked consistent with what I have seen. The top teams are going to roll out at 1pm for endurance, with the three design finalists starting first (Graz, ets, oregon) and then after that it will be the fastest times in autocross, (stuggart, us, etc. )

Very competitive. The european teams are amazing. Very tough to compete with.

Mike

Oh and my favorite memorable Claude quote - "your car makes lots of 0mph downforce"

[bob.paasch]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mike Cook:

Someone already gave out the autocross results, and it looked consistent with what I have seen. The top teams are going to roll out at 1pm for endurance, with the three design finalists starting first (Graz, ets, oregon) and then after that it will be the fastest times in autocross, (stuggart, us, etc. )

Very competitive. The european teams are amazing. Very tough to compete with.

Mike
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was told by the SAE organizers that at 1 pm, endurance will be the design finalists plus the top autocross teams to make 5 or 6 cars on the track. So expect Stuttgart, Maryland and maybe Michigan on the track with Graz, ETS and OSU.

Should be fun to watch.

[TMichaels]

I will not post the link here, since it will take ages to show up, but the preliminary results for the autox are available at the event's website.

Regards,

Tobias

[Funky Luke]

Beeing the teachers pet, I assembled a complete scoresheet /w totals calculation in excel.

Find it at:
tinyurl.com/ sae2010 (remove the space before "sae")

use sae2010-2003 instead i fyou want the excel 2003 version instead of the 2007 one.

Naturally ;-) I assumed Graz to win Design. Feel free to enter whatever Endu and FE scores you want.

Greetings,
Luke

[Funky Luke]

Beeing the teachers pet, I assembled a complete scoresheet /w totals calculation in excel.

Find it at:
tiny url.com / sae2010 (remove the spaces)

use sae2010-2003 instead i fyou want the excel 2003 version instead of the 2007 one.

Naturally ;-) I assumed Graz to win Design. Feel free to enter whatever Endu and FE scores you want.

Greetings,
Luke

[Funky Luke]

Beeing the teachers pet, I assembled a complete scoresheet /w totals calculation in excel.

Find it at:
t i n y u r l . c o m / sae2010-2 (remove the spaces)

Naturally ;-) I assumed Graz to win Design. Feel free to enter whatever Endu and FE scores you want.

Greetings,
Luke

(edit: corrected the extension)

[luiscortes]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Funky Luke </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Funky Luke what is the password?, i need it to download the file, thank

[Maverik]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luiscortes:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Funky Luke </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Funky Luke what is the password?, i need it to download the file, thank </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What he said.

[Funky Luke]

Since I managed to get my original Post moderated here it is again:

complete Excel scoresheet, TUG assumed as design winner ;-)
Feel free to change that and enter whatever Endu & FE scores you feel like.

Sorry, seems like I messed up the link.
use t i n y u r l . c o m /sae2010-2 instead.

-Luke

[Funky Luke]

Seems like some things dont work in office 2003...
here a cleaned-up version. you have to replace the #NVs by Zeros by Hand.

t i n y u r l . c o m /sae2010o2003

-Luke

[Funky Luke]

Michigan Endu Update:

Stuttgart out
ETS out
Oregon fast but /w 1 Off-course
Maryland also fast but many cones
TUG maybe a bit slower behind those two.

[The AFX Master]

By out you mean DNF?

[SNasello]

yes DNF. They posted on their twitter a minute ago.

[The AFX Master]

Holy C... :O...

How is it going?, Some serious competition between top 10 teams?

[SNasello]

Im not sure how the competition is going, I'm in Germany right now, but according to stuttgart's twitter they went out with half a lap to go in endurance with a broken chain tensioner. (If my german translation is correct)

[TMichaels]

Their twitter says that the chain tensioner in their drivetrain broke half a lap from home.

Regards,

Tobias

[Jersey Tom]

Ouch, that's harsh. Wish I'd had the chance to make it up to comp...

[D Collins Jr]

So...who wants to share an estimate for endurance scores?

[BrendonD]

From Stuttgart's Twitter:

1. Oregon State
2. UMichigan (Ann Arbor)
3. TU Graz


Congrats to Oregon State! Their drivers in endurance were f-in crazy. They deserve it.

[RiNaZ]

Does the twitter page has any pics?

[R.Trickett]

Michigan comp coverage this year sucks, sheesh. No pictures, few updates, leaving us all in the dark. Oh well, guess we should have come this year, but alas, money isn't like it was last year. Cali will be it. Looking forward to the results and seeing how everyone ended up.

[bob.paasch]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R.Trickett:
Michigan comp coverage this year sucks, sheesh. No pictures, few updates, leaving us all in the dark. Oh well, guess we should have come this year, but alas, money isn't like it was last year. Cali will be it. Looking forward to the results and seeing how everyone ended up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unlike Hockenheim, there's no internet onsite. 3G coverage sucks too. Anyway, some Saturday results:

Overall:
1 Global Formula Racing
2 Michigan
3 TU Graz
4 Maryland
5 RIT

Design:
1 GFR
2 ETS
3 TU Graz

Endurance
1 GFR
2 Michigan
3 Maryland

Stuttgart & ETS were in the first group but DNF.

[StephenAero]

It was a great competition and GFR deserved to win , they were just untouchable this year (like how RIT was last year). Congrats to all the top 3 finishers!

-Stephen
Terps Racing
Official Team Freshman

[Michael Johne]

If you want some "live" comments from the endurance event, have a look at our webpage!

Of course, the coverage is a bit biased... :-)

GFR News (http://www.global-formula-racing.com/en/news/current)

[VFR750R]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mike Cook:
Pretty fast times in the dynamic events - very competitive.

In acceleration, michigan ran a 3.77, we came in behind them with a 3.82. I dont think any one else was below a 4.0

...

Mike

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

TU Graz 3.92 Accel
Cornell 3.95 Accel
NC State 3.97 Accel

[ebashevkin]

Anyone know scores for the teams not in the top 10? Specifically Brown. I'm abroad for the semester and need my stat fix.

[Simon Dingle]

Top 25 places are listed on TU Graz's website.

I'll post the link in a miniute but it'll take a while to be approved. The link is also on FSTotal's Facebook page.

[Simon Dingle]

Top 25 places:

http://racing.tugraz.at/en/hom...ergebnis/2010/05/16/ (http://racing.tugraz.at/en/home/news/ergebnis/2010/05/16/)

Thanks to the TUG guys

[jpusb]

We (Universidad Simon Bolivar, car 27) recorded the endurance onboard with a GoPro HD, 1080p, untill our fuc...ing chain broke. Maybe I will post it on youtube and post the link here, soon. We were racing with WWU, Cornell, Michigan Dearborn, and for like two laps, with Purdue (great car btw).

The track was insane, specially the fast sweepers just after the back turn, and the entry/braking to the final slalom.

We named the track "Fried chicken with medium coke" after walking it, hahahahaha

[RacingManiac]

Nice to see USB do well. You guys moved forward quite fast in the last few years. The car looked great....

I also still have one of your shirts.....http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Fun to watch FSAE now as spectator....no pressure at all....

[The AFX Master]

Thanks RacingManiac!

On the track, we are improving quite a bit every year.. we only need to bite these last reliability issues.

As i said above, quite an accomplishment for Global Racing Team to win.. Also, nice to see good'ole folks like Cornell and UTA at top 10..

On 2009, my main concern was about the future of the competition due to the financial crisis. But seems to be there's no reason to worry about.

F-SAE is stronger as ever!

[ach1]

I have posted some photos on my facebook account of the afternoon endurance.
w w w . f a c e b o o k . c o m /album.php?aid=11491&id=100000729456833

Lots of photos of UofM-Dearborn. Some really good photos of other teams too. e-mail me if you would like the hi-res version.

Oregon State
Stuttgart
ETS
Maryland
UofM-AnnArbor (sorry A^2, can't just say UofMich anymore)
TU Graz
Missouri
RIT
UTA
Kookmin
WWU
Illinois
Bolivar
Cornell
Purdue
Toledo
Akron (although the car is broken)


James
jmperrin @ twmi.rr.com
UofMich - Dearborn Alumni
That FSAE Briggs and Stratton guy.

[Drew Price]

Looks like things were a little lax with Mrs. Royce not there checking for broomstick clearance:

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I'm glad the cars don't all look like a 55-gal drum turned endwise.

Special congrats to Kookmin Uni, you guys have come a long looong way! Keep it up!

Looks like a great comp though, how many running cars were there?


Best,
Drew

[moose]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Drew Price:
Looks like things were a little lax with Mrs. Royce not there checking for broomstick clearance:

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</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't worry - we checked every car before they went out for enduro. Some cars had more clearance than others, and the ground isn't particularly flat - so sometimes it involved the hockey puck, but everyone passed.

[jester]

What about the cars that were scraping the ground during the race? Was anyone checking that or is that rule not enforced?

[MegaDeath]

If you want to go out on the track during endurance and try to stick a 1 inch tube under moving cars, knock yourself out.

There was a person with a tube checking every car before the went on the track for autoX and endurance.

[BrandenC]

Congrats to Oregon State. You guys have one nice looking car!

[jester]

B6.2 Ground Clearance
The ground clearance must be sufficient to prevent any portion of the car (other than tires) from touching the ground during track events, and with the driver aboard there must be a minimum of 25.4 mm (1 inch) of static ground clearance under the complete car at all times.


Hearing a car scrape is a clear indication that it does not have one inch of ground clearance. Nor can you argue with the pictures of cars scraping during corners.

I think it is ridiculous to check ground clearance before cars go out but do nothing if they are clearly breaking the one inch rule. They are only enforcing half the rule. In my opinion it needs to be enforced or removed from the rule book.

[Mike Cook]

Guys, I think he is talking about the helmet rule.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Drew Price:
Looks like things were a little lax with Mrs. Royce not there checking for broomstick clearance:

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I'm glad the cars don't all look like a 55-gal drum turned endwise.

Special congrats to Kookmin Uni, you guys have come a long looong way! Keep it up!

Looks like a great comp though, how many running cars were there?


Best,
Drew </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[jester]

I think you are right. They were lucky nobody was looking too close I guess.

[moose]

Ok - I'll give you that one - from that angle it sure looks like the helmet is out of plane.



Checking Static ground clearance is one thing - its sort of on the teams to keep the car off the ground when moving... it would be inconsistent to try to catch anyone who drags some bodywork, especially if you're hitting the banked part of the track.

[Tech Guy]

Bob P.,
I believe your comment about "no internet access" is wrong. My understanding is that there were 7 or 8 WIFI networks down at MIS that were available without password protection. So anyone could access the internet. As far as the 3G network is concerned, there is nothing that SAE can do about that.

[VFR750R]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jester:
B6.2 Ground Clearance
The ground clearance must be sufficient to prevent any portion of the car (other than tires) from touching the ground during track events, and with the driver aboard there must be a minimum of 25.4 mm (1 inch) of static ground clearance under the complete car at all times.


Hearing a car scrape is a clear indication that it does not have one inch of ground clearance. Nor can you argue with the pictures of cars scraping during corners.

I think it is ridiculous to check ground clearance before cars go out but do nothing if they are clearly breaking the one inch rule. They are only enforcing half the rule. In my opinion it needs to be enforced or removed from the rule book. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For the most part the cars I saw scraping looked like a roll stiffness issue, not a ground height issue. it was evident that most of the fast cars looked very controlled in the slalom with minimal roll, whereas the cars in the morning (and some slow ones in the afternoon) looked underdamped in transitions to the point of looking pitchy, even in the slalom. I won't say which one, but there was a winged car with undertray that was waaaay too soft in roll and pitch as well as underdamped, and the car looked to be a handful.

[AxelRipper]

was definitely a fun competition. congrats to everyone who competed.

and we cant thank Kanagawa enough for the starter clutch for the 450x. without that we wouldnt have been able to even get through noise/brake. granted our engine wasnt tuned quite right (whose is?) but we did manage to complete everything and get 3rd in economy.

Alex
Kettering FSAE

[RStory]

Nice work GFR, a well deserved win, hopefully the first of many!

[flavorPacket]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jester:
I think you are right. They were lucky nobody was looking too close I guess. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As I recall, the rule B3.9.3 states the driver's head and Percy's head should be 1" off the headrest during inspection. In that photo you can see a much larger distance. In the inspection position, there may be no issue.

The head restraint rule B5.6.2 states that the driver's helmet must be no more than 1" from the headrest in the normal driving position. The definition of a 'normal driving position' is not provided. In addition, there is no stipulation that the driver must always be in the 'normal driving position', because the driver's head must be allowed to move in response to braking, driving, and cornering forces. Thus, the actual envelope for the driver's helmet while on track is not defined.

Common sense may dictate that the helmet must remain under the hoop-to-hoop line, but common sense also dictates that FSAE cars do not roll over.

Michigan chose to be right on the limit. Racing is all about exploiting gray areas and loopholes in the rules, and if they were able to reduce mass by carefully reading the rules, good for them.

[Jeong-neon Kim]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Drew Price:
Looks like things were a little lax with Mrs. Royce not there checking for broomstick clearance:

Special congrats to Kookmin Uni, you guys have come a long looong way! Keep it up!

Drew </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks a lot! :-)

Actually, shipping fee to MIS is almost one third of our budget.
Global recession from 2008 also made us come close to end taking part in competition.
So we have to work hard beyond the our capability.

I think we have to pay more attention to Design event.
But we don't know what the best way is yet.
I ask for your understanding our junior guys asking some(may be many) questions to you.

We love Formula SAE and all teams!
Please feel free to visit our university when you come to Seoul, Korea.

Sincerely

[nick roberts]

On car video from our first driver in endurance. We had to run at the end of the run group but he was still able to clock a 42.5xx second run which we believe was good enough for 3rd fastest ftd. Our team was just happy we were able to get the car on track after the issues we had on Friday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r3KDQ_B2Kw

Nick Roberts
University of Kansas

[Drew Price]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by flavorPacket:
Common sense may dictate that the helmet must remain under the hoop-to-hoop line, but common sense also dictates that FSAE cars do not roll over. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


^^^This is signature worthy, very funny.

I absolutely agree with you, there's no way to enforce an ironclad definition of a given rule, in racing, in the real world, or otherwise, it just stuck out in my mind since I got to see in person what happens when you crack down so viciously and without warning that it can destroy an organization's chances and year's worth of work (Helsinki in 2008), and then forgetting about it at the changing of the guard.

Best,
Drew

[flavorPacket]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Drew Price:
I got to see in person what happens when you crack down so viciously and without warning that it can destroy an organization's chances and year's worth of work (Helsinki in 2008), and then forgetting about it at the changing of the guard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think the Helsinki incident was a wake up call to the organizers that they need to get their sh** together. Along with the roll hoop clearance, you may also notice that many more cars finished endurance this year. IMO this is due to fewer DQs at the driver change.

[Rotary Sprocket]

I think the high completion rate was due to an easier endurance course this year. Compared to last years course it was alot shorter and to me it seemed like it wasn't that hard on the cars. But who knows, we still broke anyway http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[moose]

On the finishing enduro front - I think once they post the results (I don't have a photo of the preliminary ones handy), it will be interesting to see the % of DNFs - but it was also near perfect weather. Neither too hot, nor too rainy - and same for the day before - so no cars were put through too much stress on that front.

[JamesWolak]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by flavorPacket:

I think the Helsinki incident was a wake up call to the organizers that they need to get their sh** together. Along with the roll hoop clearance, you may also notice that many more cars finished endurance this year. IMO this is due to fewer DQs at the driver change. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I heard the organizers contacted Helsinki to apologize for their actions and begged for them to continue to compete in the states. Last year they even indirectly apologized in the news section of www.sae.org (http://www.sae.org). Looks like things started to change for the good since then. But on the other hand I have heard some interesting rumors of changes to the sound regulations in the near future that no one will like.

[Kettering Admins]

Anybody know how many CRF 450s finished?
As far as we could tell there was only Kettering and GFR/Oregon.

[Hagmuller]

GO GLOBAL FORMULA RACING!! YOU GUYS DESERVE IT!!! GREAT COLLABORATIVE EFFORT!!



-on the subject of the single cylinder, i told you so.
Alex Hagmuller
Oregon State Formula Ghost

[Mikey Antonakakis]

We had a great time this year, despite being a day late because of issues with our truck, and despite going out at the driver change during endurance because of a blown cooling hose. Does anyone know if there is a way to find out what our lap times were for endurance? Also, if anyone has pictures or video of the morning session, please share.

[Scrappy]

I didn't see any sign of Oklahoma this year....

I thought their car was done and testing for a reasonable amount of time before competition, anyone from their team care to comment?

**edit**
I just looked at the list of registered teams, since they didn't register, they obviously weren't going to show......

Are you guys going to only do West from now on?

I glanced through the list and noticed a few teams (RPI, South Dakota School of Mines, U of Washington, etc) that were absent at East as well. Whats the consensus, are these teams going to be West comp only teams from now on?

[moose]

Results are up, FYI

click on the results tab on the sae site

[moose]

...and the laptimes are the last page in that pdf

[RacingManiac]

Looking at the Laptime, you gotta feel for Stuttgart.....

[D Collins Jr]

Scrappy,

Our school wouldn't let us go this year because of a conflict with finals week/graduation. Close observers will realize that this happened last year as well. So, we have relegated ourselves to competing in California this year as our only US event. Sorry we couldn't make it...it sounds like they've figured out how to lay a track out on the backstraight now.

Keep it together and we'll see you in Fontana.

[Kirk Feldkamp]

Anyone care to post links to photo albums?

-Kirk

[BradyJ]

Stuttgart's laptimes are incredible - if only their chain tensioner hadn't have broken they would have won endurance!

Even if their last lap was 45 seconds, which they were fully capable of, they would have still led GFR by 10 seconds (w/o counting cones, GFR had 3, Stuttgart had ??)

I don't think the same thing will happen in Europe with the new car though...here's looking forward to such good competition!

Great job GFR, and to Hagmuller's thumper that could!

[bobbyc]

Hagmuller, I'm still a little iffy about that single thumper.

[BrendonD]

By my count on the FULL RESULTS pdf on the website, 43/80 completed endurance. A new record I believe. It was quite perfect weather, and the track seemed to favor the aero cars a bit.

I was standing at the entrance to the back slalom as they came out of the straight. You could tell GFR/Oregon State was in it to win it from Lap 1.

Stuttgart was a big surprise, they were running so fast and they did not have many cones... it was very impressive to watch.

UTA looked very solid in the slaloms and sweepers in endurance. It was something to behold.

[ach1]

www. f a c e b o o k .com/#!/album.php?id=100000729456833&aid=11491

I posted this link earlier, but have since updated and cropped some of the photos in the album. Send me an e-mail if you want the hi-res versions. Or tag yourself in your teams photos.

[flavorPacket]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrendonD:
Stuttgart was a big surprise, they were running so fast and they did not have many cones </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's surprising to you that Germans from Stuttgart build fast race cars??

Not to mention that the team had 3 wins from 3 competitions with that car.

[ach1]

www. f a c e b o o k . com/#!/album.php?id=100000729456833&aid=11491

I posted this link earlier, but have since added a couple more and cropped most of them from the afternoon endurance. If you want a hi-res version, just send me an e-mail. Also feel free to tag yourself.

James

[Jon Oneill]

I wasn't there but it seems completely unthinkable that the 2009 Stuttgart car didn't even make design semi's. It either says a lot about the level of the cars that everyone else brought to the event, or says a lot about the judging. 3 previous events with excellent design results, and then not even in the top group?

[TMichaels]

We were told once: It is not your car we are judging, it is your knowledge. Maybe some important people were missing? Should be likely since it was an oversea event.
Usually it is the team winning design, not the car http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
This should of course in no way say that the car or the team is not great!

Regards,

Tobias

[R.Trickett]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Scrappy: I glanced through the list and noticed a few teams (RPI, South Dakota School of Mines, U of Washington, etc) that were absent at East as well. Whats the consensus, are these teams going to be West comp only teams from now on? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

UWashington has traditionally been a West comp only team since California began in 2006. Last year was the first year we had attended East since Cali was created. We attended both East and West last year and felt doing both were very positive experiences. We had hoped to do the same this year, but two reasons kept us from doing it. 1.) Money has been tight this year with sponsors pulling out, even our own dept. cutting support. Furthermore, long term design/R&D goals took priority over the luxury of attending two competitions. 2.) East is right smack in the middle of midterms for us and having members taking tests on the road and trying to complete/turn in homework made competition that much more stressful. Those of us that traveled to East last year ended up sacrificing more of our grades as a result. Furthermore, continually not finishing endurance over the last couple years has forced us to take a hard look at the program and make some changes to get back in the top level of the competition. We felt focusing on only one competition this year would help this.

I personally really enjoyed the East competition last year much more than West. I relished the experience competing with a much higher class of teams from the US and Europe that we don't see at West. While we didn't do as great as we had hoped, i loved it! The drive from Seattle and back was quite intense, but definitely a fun one. I will say last year will not be our last year at Michigan. We'll be back soon.

Congrats to Oregon State and Global Formula Racing! You guys are certainly kicking ass and taking names. Way to represent the PNW!

[R.Trickett]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by J. Vinella:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frank "Ruska" Roeske:
Semis

Oregon
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, the ducks built a car? With no engineering department that is impressive. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

GO BEAVERS! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WWU does it http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[flavorPacket]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JonJon:
I wasn't there but it seems completely unthinkable that the 2009 Stuttgart car didn't even make design semi's. It either says a lot about the level of the cars that everyone else brought to the event, or says a lot about the judging. 3 previous events with excellent design results, and then not even in the top group? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I find it interesting that had Stuttgart finished the endurance, the top 3 teams would have been OSU, Michigan, and Stuttgart. They were all in the same design queue, and only OSU made it to semis.

[TMichaels]

Maybe there was an internal order like: Only one team of each design queue should make it into the semis?

Regards,

Tobis

[Marshall.Hagen]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R.Trickett:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by J. Vinella:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frank "Ruska" Roeske:
Semis

Oregon
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, the ducks built a car? With no engineering department that is impressive. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

GO BEAVERS! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WWU does it http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WWU does not offer standard Mechanical/Civil Engineering degrees, but they do have an ABET-EAC accredited Engineering program for Composites/Polymers & Vehicle Design, which is what a majority of the FSAE team majors in.


From the score sheets, it looks like WWU was only a few points out from a Top-Ten finish. Good job guys (and gals?).

[duckei]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Originally posted by Scrappy: I glanced through the list and noticed a few teams (RPI, South Dakota School of Mines, U of Washington, etc) that were absent at East as well. Whats the consensus, are these teams going to be West comp only teams from now on?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As far as I know RPI is going to West, however, they lost many people last year to graduation (6/10 core team members), money's tight, and finals were pushed forward through the FSAE East competition. Not so good...

-Ian

[D Collins Jr]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I find it interesting that had Stuttgart finished the endurance, the top 3 teams would have been OSU, Michigan, and Stuttgart. They were all in the same design queue, and only OSU made it to semis. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The judges are allowed to be pretty picky about these sorts of things. I remember back at Michigan in 2007 when Oklahoma, UWA, and Texas-Arlington were in the same prelims queue (I believe there may have even been another 1 or 2 high profile teams in there). NONE of the teams in that queue made semi-finals. They also happened to be three of the fastest cars at the event, and Oklahoma went on to win design at California. We were also asked a really simple question at design review that I think summed it up very well. A judge from outside our prelims group asked why the car had not been in design finals. We simply said that it was because it hadn't been in semis http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The realization that the design judges can take UP TO two cars from a queue, and can award UP TO 150 points has made things much more stressful around that day, and I think many teams would agree with me on that. I don't mean to sound like I'm complaining about it, just stating a fact. It seems like it used to be that the best two in each group made semis...now, that's a much blurrier line.

[flavorPacket]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TMichaels:
Maybe there was an internal order like: Only one team of each design queue should make it into the semis? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


This is actually not true. 3 cars from the queue with Michigan-Dearborn went to the semis.

Also, from the judges' perspective, I don't understand why they put the 1st and 2nd place teams in the dynamic events from FSG 2009 in the same queue along with the unequivocally fastest US team at FSG 2009.

[RacingManiac]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TMichaels:
Maybe there was an internal order like: Only one team of each design queue should make it into the semis?

Regards,

Tobis </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thought that was always the case....whether a written rule or not....which I am sure in the past means some queue has more than 1 deserving car while some might have none, but the not so good might make it since they don't have the room in other queue....

[BrendonD]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by flavorPacket:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrendonD:
Stuttgart was a big surprise, they were running so fast and they did not have many cones </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's surprising to you that Germans from Stuttgart build fast race cars??

Not to mention that the team had 3 wins from 3 competitions with that car. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No the fact that their car died half a lap from the finish line in endurance. I knew they had a great car.

[BeaverGuy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RacingManiac:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TMichaels:
Maybe there was an internal order like: Only one team of each design queue should make it into the semis?

Regards,

Tobis </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thought that was always the case....whether a written rule or not....which I am sure in the past means some queue has more than 1 deserving car while some might have none, but the not so good might make it since they don't have the room in other queue.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In 2005 our design queue didn't send anyone on to design semi-finals. When talking to the lead judge for our queue he said that we were essentially neck and neck with another school in our queue to go forward. We demonstrated slightly better powertrain knowledge and they slightly better suspension and chassis knowldege. The judges however, when looking at the status of the two schools in relation to the schools passed on to semis decided that they couldn't justify sending both schools forward and also because neither school stood out beyond the other didn't want to favor one over the other by sending just one of us. As a result neither school went on to semis.

Also, when talking about another school that did extremely well in 2004 and did very well in design semis that year yet didn't make it to design semis in 2005 with a nearly identical car, stated the knowledge wasn't there. The car's design was great but the knowledge of the design was lacking. I also wonder if as more teams were presenting testing data the judges started to more critically analyze teams knowledge of the data being presented. Many of the top teams that had for years gone to design semis and finals and had lots of data from previous years stopped making it into semis and finals.

[Ben K]

http://imgur.com/HG5Jr.jpg

Sad day when you only have half a lap to go.

[RacingManiac]

That last point was definitely true, but I can recall pretty clearly that a team that *I* thought was pretty poorly presented even went all the way to final in 2007....eventhough the car was nice, the people seems to be lacking.

[GianVioli]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RacingManiac:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TMichaels:
Maybe there was an internal order like: Only one team of each design queue should make it into the semis?

Regards,

Tobis </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thought that was always the case....whether a written rule or not....which I am sure in the past means some queue has more than 1 deserving car while some might have none, but the not so good might make it since they don't have the room in other queue.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This year we were in design queue F, also did FEI and RIT... we got 118 (2 points away from semis), FEI got 117 i think, i dont know how much RIT got but didnt make it to semis... not a single team from queue F passed to design semifinals

[Charlie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by flavorPacket:
Also, from the judges' perspective, I don't understand why they put the 1st and 2nd place teams in the dynamic events from FSG 2009 in the same queue along with the unequivocally fastest US team at FSG 2009. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Generally the queues are made from expected design results via reading the design reports. There are many competitions these days, and you could arrange "1st and 2nd at this part of XX comp and good in another comp" dozens of ways. There's no way to do this completely fairly. The best way to to do it by the design report, which should give a good representation of your design event. If it doesn't, it's the team's fault.

[Hagmuller]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bobbyc:
Hagmuller, I'm still a little iffy about that single thumper. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

About the Honda, or about singles in general?

[BradyJ]

I think Bobby misses working on the frankenstein Kawasakis...with their wonderfully overbuilt starter clutches...there's still a "good one" in the cabinet! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Maybe he misses using almost half the fuel from before and being faster?

But the future is open to GFR as far as powertrains go. We had good reasons for choosing the 450 last year, but those reasons may change in the future.
Just please oh please, anything but the Kawai! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[flavorPacket]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Charlie:
There are many competitions these days, and you could arrange "1st and 2nd at this part of XX comp and good in another comp" dozens of ways. There's no way to do this completely fairly. The best way to to do it by the design report, which should give a good representation of your design event. If it doesn't, it's the team's fault. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Everything you wrote is true, but there is a difference between every competition and FSG, especially in the year when it's the world championship.

[TMichaels]

Does anybody really care about the "assigned" world championship?
I think this should go to the event having the highest density of top teams and not the event that it is assigned to in that year.
On the other hand, even if the density of top teams is high, if not all let's say Top10 teams are there, it is not a real world championship http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Regards,

Tobias

[Hagmuller]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BradyJ:
I think Bobby misses working on the frankenstein Kawasakis...with their wonderfully overbuilt starter clutches...there's still a "good one" in the cabinet! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Maybe he misses using almost half the fuel from before and being faster?

But the future is open to GFR as far as powertrains go. We had good reasons for choosing the 450 last year, but those reasons may change in the future.
Just please oh please, anything but the Kawai! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


There is always room for improvement! I am satisfied with the fact that in 2 years of development the car wins in detroit, vs how many years of development with the kawasaki? The single biggest advantage to the single is it's simplicity, if nothing else. By the way, when formula one teams start development on an engine, many of them start with a single cylinder of the complete engine....hmmmmm.. where can i get one of those.

[TMG24]

Michigan is the main competition for the entire world. All of the other competitions grew off of this main one. In my opinion if you win in Michigan you win the "World Championship." If the top schools aren't showing up then they are choosing to compete at other venues. That is their choice. Western Australia hasn't been back since they one the competition a few years ago. They are competing elsewhere in the world with different schools.

[flavorPacket]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TMG24:
Michigan is the main competition for the entire world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You clearly have not been to Germany.

[TMichaels]

In 2009 FSG reached the top competitiveness in that year with 0.9844 close in front of Michigan with 0.9726 . In 2008 it was Michigan with 1 in front of FSUK with 0.9467 and FSG with 0.9395.

You should not judge a competition without having been there http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Regards,

Tobias

[Thomas MuWe]

First:
Congrats to the top finishers in Michigan this year. And to GFR for taking home the big one.

Second:
MIS is a joke in comparison with FSG. FSG is so well organised and extremely competitive. When we were in MIS last year, it was cool, but the practice area is a joke, the endurance track is not visible from many points. And the campsite is also a funny addition to the whole competition - not to mention the Mahleparty.
Now I would like to be back in Hockenheim 2008 :-( (Tobias will agree I think)
I don't think that any comp is comparable to FSG - even not FS Austria last year which was also a lot better than MIS 2009!

Best regards,

Thomas

[Lexusteck]

Where are the photos guys. Those of us who could'nt go really want to see some shots.

[Wesley]

Pics pics pics! It's all I have to keep me going. I live on an oil rig in Texas and I don't get to see shiny fast cars very often. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[BradyJ]

Did anyone grab video of the design talk back?

Was there a dyno on site?

[TMichaels]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thomas Müller-Werth:
Now I would like to be back in Hockenheim 2008 :-( (Tobias will agree I think) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The good old times.... Yes Thomas, I totally agree http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BTW: Will you be at FSG2010? Maybe as a volunteer?

Regards,

Tobias

[JDS]

Video of Purdue 1st driver in endurance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM2FUCZ7AEU

Some pics as well.

http://picasaweb.google.com/jj...onMay12th15th201002# (http://picasaweb.google.com/jjspierx/PurdueFormulaSAEMichiganCompetitionMay12th15th2010 02#)

[BuckeyeEngines]

I may know something about the practice area being really small. Look up Buckeye burnout on youtube and you shall see. I would like to go to FSG the experience would be unreal.

[jpusb]

Well I have never been to other competition than the ones at Michigan (it's really hard for us to travel overseas with such a limited budget), but I can tell you FSAE Michigan 2009 was a joke in comparison to 2008, or 2010. In both 2008 and 2010 you could feel the high level in the air, every day of the competition. I will NEVER forget in 2008, when I was just about to enter the endurance behind the TUGRAZ car, the adrenaline rush that gave me just hearing the tires, brakes, engines and gear shiftings of M S&T, Wisconsin, Western Australia, UTA, and teams like those passing just in front of the nose of my car (being the first year for us in the endurance noon session, with the AutoX top 10 cars, because our previous best AutoX result was like 35 or something). THAT I never felt again, specially in 2009 were even our car I hated haha. Anybody who was there on the beginning of the 2008 endurance knows what I mean.

I can also tell that the 2010 endurance track, being the shortest I've driven so far (I've driven and completed my laps on 2008, 2009 and 2010), was not easy on the cars. The last part, between the slalom and the finish line, was SO, SO great, specially when comparing it to the typical super slow boring last turns. In 2009 I used 4th gear a lot, really fast track with long straights but not too hard on the car really, the only potential hard braking zone had a lot of standing water on it so (you guys from the autoX top ten that went out on slicks know what I mean http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )... this year the endurance had the hardest braking I've seen on a Formula SAE event, at Michigan (braking for the last slalom) that including 2008, 2009 and 2010 autoX and endurance events. On the 2010 endurance, the fast sweepers after the back turn were insane, insane is the word. I think I still like more the long-track style of 2008 and 2009 though, but I enjoyed like HELL driving those 14 laps.

[Simon Dingle]

I've not been to Michigan, like jpusb and most other teams we simply can't afford to cross the Atlantic. I can however comment on the coverage and, as you can tell from the number of people on this thread trying to get hold of videos and results, the coverage from Michigan was pretty poor. Especially when you compare it to the amazing job that FSG do, live video stream, upto date results, photo gallery, videos of the endurance posted online for download (although we are still waiting for the second half of our endurance race to be posted).

Both US competitions seem to be trailing a bit behind FSUK, FSG and FS Austria in terms of results and content availble online during and after the event. (although I think the results that are now up on the Michigan website are more in-depth in terms of giving a breakdown of the points given in static events).

Finally, unless there is a German version of April Fools that is held on the 21st of May, I'm so excited about the FSE night race! Genius idea Tobias!

[Simon Dingle]

Totally forgot. In terms of a World Champion, I wasn't even aware that there was even an assigned World Championship, I'd be interested to know how many teams notice/value this title. Also, how many people follow the FS world rankings website? I don't know who maintains it but it seems a good way of comparing teams who have never competed against each other. Personally I regard it's table just as highly as any single competition results table.

[TMichaels]

@Simon:
It is not a joke, we will really do a night endurance.
To clear things up: The idea was developed by the whole Executive Committee of FSG/FSE. I am only a little part of the EC posting frequently here.

The FS world ranking website is maintained by FSG.

Regards,

Tobias

[bob.paasch]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TMichaels:
In 2009 FSG reached the top competitiveness in that year with 0.9844 close in front of Michigan with 0.9726 . In 2008 it was Michigan with 1 in front of FSUK with 0.9467 and FSG with 0.9395.
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Interestingly, I think that the relative rankings of Michigan and FSG this year will depend on how the FS world ranking organization handles Global Formula Racing. Because of the competition regulations GFR must register under the university name. We decided to register as OSU in the US, DHBW-RV in the EU competitions. Does FSG10 get to count the 1st place team from Michigan? And do you count the 2009 performances of OSU and DHBW-RV?

[TMichaels]

The name of the university as stated in the official results list is used.
Therefore the points gained in Michigan 2010 for the first place will be assigned to Oregon State University as the official results list of Michigan tells us.

Regards,

Tobias

[RacingManiac]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jpusb:

I can also tell that the 2010 endurance track, being the shortest I've driven so far (I've driven and completed my laps on 2008, 2009 and 2010), was not easy on the cars. The last part, between the slalom and the finish line, was SO, SO great, specially when comparing it to the typical super slow boring last turns. In 2009 I used 4th gear a lot, really fast track with long straights but not too hard on the car really, the only potential hard braking zone had a lot of standing water on it so (you guys from the autoX top ten that went out on slicks know what I mean http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )... this year the endurance had the hardest braking I've seen on a Formula SAE event, at Michigan (braking for the last slalom) that including 2008, 2009 and 2010 autoX and endurance events. On the 2010 endurance, the fast sweepers after the back turn were insane, insane is the word. I think I still like more the long-track style of 2008 and 2009 though, but I enjoyed like HELL driving those 14 laps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You would have loved the Romeo Proving Ground track in 2006 and 2007.....too bad FSAE don't use that anymore. Aside from the bad spectator view the track itself can afford much more freedom and much faster. I also liked the curve ball they use to throw to make a crazy fast aero AutoX track and make the endurance track much tighter....

The Michigan site with the results this year had been a huge step forward....I remember it used to not post anything for weeks....

[moose]

Romeo was just not a great site setup overall though - It was also a giant hike from some paddocks to dynamic area, the paddocks were all spread out with some on grass or gravel. You couldn't hear the announcer at half the site, and it took forever to get up to the general area because you needed to take a bus to the top of the hill. MIS &gt;&gt; Romeo on those measures. Sure, the space for setting up Friday's & Saturday's events isn't as flexible, since it is long and narrow - but all the other logistics are much better.

[Mike Macie]

Yeah the walk at Romeo to and from the dynamic area was awful and so was the gravel paddock area. The freedom to do whatever they wanted with the course layout was pretty much the only good thing they had going there.

http://picasaweb.google.com/ea...10/FSAEMichigan2010# (http://picasaweb.google.com/eaglemotorsports2010/FSAEMichigan2010#)

I found a nice album since this thread is failing with pictures, I hope whoever it belongs to doesn't mind me posting it.

[MegaDeath]

I finally got ahold of one of our guys camers that had pictures from autoX and endurance.

http://picasaweb.google.com/11...anAutoXAndEndurance# (http://picasaweb.google.com/110076321295613431505/2010FSAEMichiganAutoXAndEndurance#)

If you want any full size, just shoot me an email at dustin.zacharyasz@zipsracing.com

[Nice Vans]

I love the wings Illinois and Purdue! It's nice to see more aero teams out there....

See you out in Cali

[Barnaby]

Some pictures from competition: http://www.flickr.com/photos/b...s/72157623986415085/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/barnaby87/sets/72157623986415085/)

[Thrainer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rp:
... We decided to register as OSU in the US, DHBW-RV in the EU competitions. ... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
From the FS Austria website, it seems that GFR registered as a US team to get the international registration slot. A brilliant idea for early registraion, even though the car isn't travelling far. No hard feeling, I'm looking forward to competing with you in the same category.

Regards,
Thomas
AMZ - ETH Zurich

[bob.paasch]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thrainer:
From the FS Austria website, it seems that GFR registered as a US team to get the international registration slot. A brilliant idea for early registraion, even though the car isn't travelling far. No hard feeling, I'm looking forward to competing with you in the same category.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you Thomas, my mistake, FSA is different. The organizers at FS Austria were very accommodating and allowed us to register as GFR rather than under the university name.

[kira_vtec]

Thanks a lot Lawrence Tech for hosting us again!!

Thanks Stuttgart for the belt and ETS for the starter parts!

[jpusb]

Finally, here is our video of the endurance:

Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/blindstuff#p/a/u/1/eJFgTQRpxh0)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/blindstuff#p/a/u/0/p-1K4L8IPVs)

Unfortunately, that camera position/angle is not that cool/aggressive, but we put it there for future drivers and team learning and stuff... I hope you like it.

Aren't there more photo albums to share?

[jpusb]

Maybe the UTA guys would like to check out this (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=13219972&id=504955513#!/photo.php?pid=13219982&id=504955513&fbid=10150191184120514) photo. Check the photo album, photos were taken with a very very old camera

[StephenP.]

Wanted to be sure this got out there.

We don't frequent this forum often, but we have a great place for teams to stay when coming to the Michigan comp.

We block off a parking lot capable of an autocross for a whole week leading up to the competition for testing; we have a garage with a machine shop and dyno within driving distance; we have cheap housing for your team within walking distance of the shop and parking lot. Best of all, we are about two hours from MIS.

It's a great gig. We have hosted, Western Australia, RMIT, Helsinki, UAS Graz, and most recently Tallin. Consider staying with us when you come out next year:

Oakland University SAE - Grizzlies Racing
www.grizzliesracing.com (http://www.grizzliesracing.com)