Tire Book

[Matt Liberatore]

I understand that there are a lot of posts about books on these forums but I could not find a thread that answered my question well, so I am going to just create my own.

Anyways, What is the best book on tires to use for designing a FSAE Car? I have been looking at Tire and Vehicle Dynamics, 2ed and The Racing and High-Performance Tire: Using the Tires to Tune for Grip and Balance.

I am concerned that the first one might be a bit too theoretical and more about tire modeling as opposed to helping tire selection for a new FSAE team. Conversely, is the second book a good place to start in terms of designing a car? We are looking to start from the ground up with tires and then move in on the rest of our car design.

Any advice in this matter will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Matt

[Matt Liberatore]

I understand that there are a lot of posts about books on these forums but I could not find a thread that answered my question well, so I am going to just create my own.

Anyways, What is the best book on tires to use for designing a FSAE Car? I have been looking at Tire and Vehicle Dynamics, 2ed and The Racing and High-Performance Tire: Using the Tires to Tune for Grip and Balance.

I am concerned that the first one might be a bit too theoretical and more about tire modeling as opposed to helping tire selection for a new FSAE team. Conversely, is the second book a good place to start in terms of designing a car? We are looking to start from the ground up with tires and then move in on the rest of our car design.

Any advice in this matter will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Matt

[js10coastr]

For a new team... it's my "non expert" opinion to recommend RCVD and the Carrol Smith books.

Those books give a pretty good overview of everything, and will probably give you a bit better idea of how to use tire data.

There really isn't one right or wrong tire for the competition, but have engineering reasons to back up your choice.

[skillet]

I would reccomend getting the force/moment data available through the TTC. For general help in understanding tire data and how it relates to vehicle performance as well as nondim tire modeling i second RCVD. For more thorough explanation of the pacejka model and simulation models T&VD is a good book. Haneys book is more of a practical guide to reading tires and gives some "explanation" on tire friction. As a starting point though i would stick with tire data and RCVD.

[Tim.Wright]

Chapter 2 in RCVD is a really good intro to tyres. I have a copy of that chapter (from my own book) bound up and I pass it around to anyone on the team who is interested in designing anything vehicle dynamics based.

There is also a later chapter in tyre data treatment to help you tread through the TTC data.

Regards

Tim Wright
Curtin Motorsport (...the other university in Western Australia)
Suspension & Vehicle Dynamics

[Jersey Tom]

For sure buy into the TTC. Best investment you can make. When we did.. we had no idea about how tires operated, what grip they gave, their sensitivities, what to do with the suspension once we had the data.. etc.

Once you get the stuff together, start making plots in Matlab, doing comparisons, getting snapshots of how the tire is going to be loaded as you're driving around, etc.. important and interesting things become obvious very quickly.

And be sure to look at a bunch of the raw data, not just the c urve fits.