Can anyone tell me what has happened to Cart. All I know is that IRL sucks and I hope that the cart teams are not obsorbed into the IRL. But, they need jobs and they will do what they will have to do.
Can anyone tell me what has happened to Cart. All I know is that IRL sucks and I hope that the cart teams are not obsorbed into the IRL. But, they need jobs and they will do what they will have to do.
Can anyone tell me what has happened to Cart. All I know is that IRL sucks and I hope that the cart teams are not obsorbed into the IRL. But, they need jobs and they will do what they will have to do.
Why do you say that the IRL sucks? You think CART is so much better, then why is it faultering? Most racing fans don't care so much about the engineering aspects of racing, they want to see good racing and most american fans want to see some american drivers. The IRL has the closest racing on the planet, not like F1. The cars are out on the track running all alone, cool engineering but there is no close racing and/or passing. There is skill in being able to pass someone who is only a couple of tenths faster than you. A skill not had by many F1 drivers.
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You are absolutely right. I agree with you totally that IRL sucks. So what is happening to CART?
P.S. IRL drivers are second rate.
Agreeing with yourself Brody? because I'm quite sure that Gotte was defending IRL.
Brent
www.ucalgary.ca/fsae
University of Calgary
2001-2004
I think most people dislike the IRL because they go around in circles. The reason CART is failing is because Tony George decided he owned Indy and was better than CART, thus wanted his own league. It does so well because Americans love to watch cars go around in circles. I also agree with Brodyj that the IRL drivers are second rate. There have been many more deaths in IRL in the last five years than in CART. I attribute this to less experienced drivers filling these open team spots an getting them selves killed. (This was happening more when IRL had just started than it is now.)
I'd also like to know what is happening to CART. The last update I had was OWRS was buying parts of CART so they could stay afloat. Now I just heard Tony George might be buying out CART to eliminate the competition.
IRL doesn't suck, but it isn't at the same level as CART. Cart is more technically interesting as well as more challenging to the drivers and engineers (make the same car work 3 types of tracks).
The main reason the IRL is successful IMo is Tony George's pockets. Neither series has been financially successful yet. Both series are assisting the teams financially to ensure a full field. CART just ran out of money sooner.
The US just doesn't have a big enough open-wheel fan base to have both series. I hope CART survives because it's one of the most exciting formats in the world as far as I'm concerned. But eventually there's going to be a merger and Tony George is probably going to have the most influence on the result.
Please don't let the street and road courses die!!
-Charlie Ping
I just need enough to tide me over until I need more.
-Charlie Ping
Auburn FSAE Alum 00-04
I have always disliked the IRL simply because it wasn't set up for the love of motorsport, but as a means of giving Tony George power. I don't think that is particularly edifying.
Secondly given that the speeds are no higher than CART (a little lower if anything) why do so many IRL drivers get hospitalised? They have technically ignorant rules which force the engineers to run dangerous negative rake to achieve top speed.
On this subject, I attend a full non-FSAE Claude Rouelle seminar recently, which was also attended by a design engineer from Penske's UK IRL operation. Claude stopped being his jovial self when he said he felt IRL was unnecessarily dangerous. He was quite adamant.
I agree that CART isn't any more technical, I would say that it has a greater respect for racing.
Ben
University of Birmingham
www.ubracing.co.uk
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Well the powerplant side of things is more technical IMO, or course the teams don't see much of that development anyway.
It's got to take more technical expertise to set up for bumpy street courses, smooth road courses, and high & low speed ovals than just another 1.5 mile oval though don't you think?
-Charlie Ping
I just need enough to tide me over until I need more.
-Charlie Ping
Auburn FSAE Alum 00-04
Again, like with all motorsports, the problem is money. Why'd all the mfg's switch to IRL? Why are more and more drivers going to IRL? Cash. It's there w/ the sponsors, it's there w/ the marketing ppl.
If they merge, then Tony will most likely have to have road courses, street courses etc. That is what I am hoping if he aqcuires their assets. Technically, there is something wrong w/ the IRL rules aero, that is sending all these cars flying (literally) into walls.
CART was really great a few years ago. But money and power have destroyed it. Whatever the case, whatever happens, what I hope to see is a single top-class, premiere series in North America....basically what CART was a few years ago, but owned by TG and have Lola and Dallara go head to head. Dump all the poor IRL drivers and get real racers who were brought up driv'n karts and Atlantics/2000/1600 cars.
Then we here in North America will have something nice to watch on Speedvision.
my 2 cents.
Vinh
University of Toronto Formula SAE Racing Team
www.fsae.utoronto.ca