2014 FSAE-Australasia

[Jonny Rochester]

I have driven the UTAS car. We did another 1/2 day of testing and practice today. We are still without panels or body.

Message me if something is going down on the Monday or Tuesday as I will be stuck with the UTAS truck for a day before I get back on the ship.

[Tonks]

I am excited to see how the field pans out. The top couple of teams should be rather close this year. (Auckland, I have been waiting every year since 2011 for you guys to kick butt - not to put any pressure on or anything....)

I'll be floating around and will do my best to keep the FSAE-A facebook page updated again this year. Hopefully I can get some more frequent updates going throughout the day rather than my previous sporadic bursts. I'm also setting up some sort of live audio broadcast (through a site called Mixlr) from Friday to Sunday (organised separate from SAE-A so I don't know if they have anything official planned but my guess is not). People are welcome to tune in if you can put up with my voice for 8hours a day <-- Will be chatting to teams throughout the weekend too and hopefully try and get some sort of chat thing going so that if anyone wants to ask specific questions of teams you can hear the response from one of the team members straight away (very open idea right at the moment though).

Get keen.

P.S. If there are any spectating alumni or members from teams that have pulled out this year that want to join me and co-host in babbling on for three days, lemme know!

[Rex Chan]

Just a quick update - I went to visit Monash after work yesterday, and saw some FSAE cars for the first time in months. Monash, Auckland, Canterbury, ECU were all there.

Monash came back from testing, but didn't do that many laps. Issues with the pnuematic shifter is what I heard. Auckland were doing scrut checks and sorting out starting. Not sure if they'll run wings.

Canterbury were re-positioning their turbo, after it was pointed out on arrival in Australia that their original postion was outside the side-impact crash structure (I'm not up to date with chassis rules).

ECU looked pretty sorted - I didn't see Kev around, and only 1 familiar face. Maybe they were doing design/statics back at their hotel?

I'll be posting pics to my FB account during the weekend

[Rex Chan]

Hi all (esp. Z who asked for it),

Here is a link to the FSAE-A fb page Albums. This is where I'll be putting all my photos of cars at the FSAE-A 2014 comp.

https://www.facebook.com/FSAEAustral...=photos_albums

[Z]

"PLANET ZED" IS BACK!
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Yes, dear readers, the esteemed Editors at Planet Zed Publications have once again thrown caution to the winds, and have sent your favourite dribbling scribbler to FSAE-Australasia-2014!

So, for all of you in the Northern Hemisphere, settling in as you are for another cold, bleak, and boring winter, with only distant memories of the asthmatic wheezing of ill-tuned, restricted, sportsbike engines, combined with the delicate bouquet of hi-octane fuel and burning rubber, please tune in, sit back, make yourselves comfortable, and dream of how much better life is Down Under. Err..., or perhaps just dream of how much better you will be able to do all this stuff in another six short months.

But a word of warning! The following is NOT being brought to you by that wet-behind-the-ears, baby-faced, Junior Cub Reporter of last year. Oh, no, no, no... After 365 days of trawling the all World's Baddest Troublespots, from Bondi to Boganville (ie. East to West Sydney), you now have the grizzled-old-hack, recently promoted CADET (2nd Class) Reporter, Z, bringing you your mid-season fix.

So, this time no more Mister Nice Guy, filling your screens with fairy-floss drivel about the wonderful job all these hard-working young students are doing. Oh no, not this year! Now its just the low-down on the hard-hitting facts, brought to you with no punches pulled, and with most punches very low indeed!

No more woosy, sugar-coated, questions on "Team Mission Statements", blah, blah, blah... This year just two questions:
Q1. How much faster is this year's car, compared with last year's?
Q2. WHY NOT!!!???

So, without further ado, here are:

THE PROBABLES.
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(Three of these Teams will probably be on the Overall Podium come Sunday night. Listed in no particular order. Err... except one...)

(Note: "HMMM..." = interesting, "HUH!" = WT!)

1. TEAM #66, MONASH UNIVERSITY (Vic, Oz).
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ENGINE: KTM 450SXF, Single, E85, Turboed, 12.5:1 CR, 48 kW @ 10 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Drexler.
CHASSIS: M/Steel spaceframe, with bonded panels.
SUSPENSION: CroMo-Double-Wishbones, Direct-Acting-Spring-Dampers, Uprights - F = 3-D printed Titanium (because free!)/ R = Machined Aluminium.
WHEELS & TYRES: 10" x 8" Al-Rims, 7.5" Hoosier R25B.
AERO: Mega-F&R-Un-Sprung-Wings + Undertray + DRS.
MASS: 198 kg, 50F/50R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: Acc = -0.1s, SP = -0.1s, AX = small improvement.
HMMM...: 1st place in Oz 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, so...
~o0o~

2. TEAM #14, CURTIN UNIVERSITY (WA, Oz).
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ENGINE: Honda CBR600RR Four, 98 RON, N-A, 12.6:1 CR, 62 kW @ 12 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Drexler.
CHASSIS: CroMo Spaceframe.
SUSPENSION: CroMo-DW + DASD + Machined-Aluminium-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 13" Al-Rims, 7" Hoosier R25B.
AERO: Mega-F&R-Un-Sprung-Wings + UT.
MASS: 279 kg, 50F/50R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: Acc = ?(no space to test), SP = same, AX = 5% better.
HMMM...: Heavy, but 2nd last year with similar car.
~o0o~

3. TEAM #47, UNIVERSITY OF AUCKLAND (NZ).
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ENGINE: Yamaha WR450F, 98 RON, N-A, 13:1 CR, 41 kW @ 9.5 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Spool.
CHASSIS: Pre-preg Carbon skinned aluminium/nomex honeycomb.
SUSPENSION: CroMo-DW + DASD + Machined-Al-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 10" Al-Rims, 6"F/7.5"R Hoosier R25B.
AERO: UT only!
MASS: 163 kg. 50F/50R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: Acc = -0.2s, SP = -0.1s, AX = 6% better.
HUH!: Wings gave 10% AX improvement but have "reliability issues", so tossed. Car still fast in testing.
~o0o~

4. TEAM #101, UNIVERSITY OF MELBOURNE (Vic, Oz).
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ENGINE: Honda CBR600RR Four, E85, N-A, 12:1 CR, 55 kW @ 9.5 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Spool.
CHASSIS: Mild-Steel Spaceframe.
SUSPENSION: CroMo-DW + Pull-F/Push-R-SD + Folded-Steel-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 13" Al-Rims, 7" Hoosier R25B.
AERO: Mega-F&R-Sprung-Wings + UT.
MASS: 250 kg, 45F/55R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: Acc = ?2% slower, SP = -5% (cos aero), AX = ~5-8% better.
HMMM...: Similar to last year's 3rd place car, but now with wings!
~o0o~

5. TEAM #8, UNIVERSITY OF ADELAIDE (SA, Oz).
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ENGINE: Yamaha YZF-R6 (600-four), 98 RON, N-A, 12.4:1 CR, 58 kW @ 8 - 12 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: "Old" Drexler.
CHASSIS: Mild-Steel-Spaceframe.
SUSPENSION: CroMo-DW + Push-F&R-SD + Machined-Al-Uprights (all 4 same).
WHEELS & TYRES: 13" Al-Rims, 7" Hoosier R25B.
AERO: Mega-Sprung-Wings + UT.
MASS: 250 kg. 48F/52R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: Acc = -0.1s, SP = -0.3s, AX = 10% better.
HMMM...: Heavy, but 4th last year.
~o0o~

6. TEAM #7, EDITH COWAN UNIVERSITY (WA, Oz).
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ENGINE: Custom! 600 cc Four(CBR head on bespoke block + 2-speed drive) , 98 RON, N-A, 12:1 CR, 60 kW @ 10 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Spool integreated into bespoke engine case.
CHASSIS: Carbon skinned aluminium honeycomb (~30 mm thk), cut-and-fold construction, full monocoque.
SUSPENSION: F = CroMo-DW + DASD + Folded-Steel-Upright, R = Folded CroMo folded sheet beam + 4-link + DASD .
WHEELS & TYRES: 10" Al-Rims, 6" Hoosier LCO.
AERO: F&R-Sprung-Wings, NO UT.
MASS: 184 kg, 44F/56R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: Acc = -0.2s, SP = -0.2s, AX = 10% better.
HMMM...: Major concept change = ~lightest 600-four in the world!
~o0o~

7. TEAM #10, UNIVERSITY OF WOLLONGONG (NSW, Oz).
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ENGINE: Honda CBR600RR Four, 98 RON, N-A, 13.6:1 CR, 58 kW @ 10+ krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Spool.
CHASSIS: CroMo Spaceframe.
SUSPENSION: CroMo-DW + Pull-F&R-SD + Machined-Aluminium-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 13" Al-Rims, 7" Hoosier R25B.
AERO: Big-Sprung-Wings.
MASS: 205 kg, ?F/?R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: Much better than last year's, because last year's hubs broke!
HMMM...: As above...
~o0o~

8. TEAM #41, UNIVERSITY OF QUEENSLAND (Q, Oz).
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ENGINE: Honda CBR600F4i Four, 98 RON, N-A, 12.1:1 CR, 59 kW @ 11.8 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Spool.
CHASSIS: CroMo Spaceframe.
SUSPENSION: CroMo-DW-Front + Folded-Steel-Beam-Rear + ZERO-WARP-Springing (= F&R-Axle-Heave/Pitch-Only-SDs + Roll-Only-Lateral-U-Bar).
WHEELS & TYRES: 13" Al-Rims, 7" Hoosier R25B.
AERO: Un-Sprung-UT only.
MASS: 220 kg, 50F/50R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: Measured +10% Longitudinal-G, and +20% Lateral-G (Lat from lower CG).
HMMM...: Innovative car with some testing, some teething problems, but also some potential.
~o0o~

And ... the smokie (= dark horse).

9. TEAM #13, UNIVERSITY OF CANTERBURY (NZ).
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ENGINE: Husqvarna TC449 Single, E85, Turboed, 12:1 CR, 45 kW @ 9.3 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Drexler.
CHASSIS: CroMo Spaceframe.
SUSPENSION: CarbonFibre-DW + Pull-F&R-SD + Machined-Aluminium-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 10" x 8" Al-Rims, 7.5"(?) Hoosier R25B.
AERO: Big-F&R-Sprung-Wings + UT + DRS.
MASS: 218 kg, ?F/?R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: Acc = ?, SP = <5s, AX = ~20 - 25% better!
HMMM...: Good first attempt last year, much better overall concept this year.
~~~~~~~~~~o0o~~~~~~~~~~

More coming...

Z

(PS. Thanks Rex.)

[Z]

THE POSSIBLES.
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(These Teams have a "Bradbury's chance" of making the Podium. Non-Australians can google Steven Bradbury, Australia's Ice-Skating Champion of the World, to see that if you keep working hard, and never give up, then, maybe, just maybe, but very, very rarely, fairy-tales can come true...)

(These listed only according to their race number, not on perceived performance.)

10. TEAM #3, UNIVERSITY OF NEWCASTLE (NSW, Oz).
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ENGINE: Honda CBR600F4i, E85, N-A, 12:1 CR, 60 kW @ 10 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Spool.
CHASSIS: CroMo Spaceframe.
SUSPENSION: MS-DW + Push-F&R-SD + Folded-Steel-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 13" x 9" Al-Rims, 7.5"(?) Hoosier R25B.
AERO: None.
MASS: 213 kg, 45F/55R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: Acc = -0.5s, SP = same, AX = faster! but test-track changed...
HMMM...: Built to "Formula Libre" (hillclimb) Rules, so requires much bigger MRH, etc., but more opportunity for FUN!
~o0o~

11. TEAM #11, SOPHIA UNIVERSITY (Japan).
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ENGINE: Yamaha WR450F Single, 98 RON, N-A, 13.5:1 CR, 43 kW @ 8.5 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: "FCC" LSD.
CHASSIS: CarbonFibre Monocoque.
SUSPENSION: CroMo-DW + Pull-F&R-SD + Machined-Aluminium-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 13" Al-Rims, 7" Hoosier R25B.
AERO: Big-Wings, R-US, F-Sprung, + UT.
MASS: 210 kg, 47F/53R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: Very hard to say (because Japanese custom is to answer all questions with "Yes!"), but probably similar to previous cars.
HMMM...: Previous good performer, so...
~o0o~

12. TEAM #12, RMIT UNIVERSITY (Vic, Oz).
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ENGINE: Yamaha Genesis 80FI Parallel-Twin, E85, N-A, 12.4:1 CR, 60 kW @ 10.5 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Custom 6-Speed-Duke-G'Box-in-CF-Case to Custom KAZ LSD.
CHASSIS: 3/4 CarbonFibre Monocoque + 1/4 Rear-Spaceframe.
SUSPENSION: Carbon-DW + Push-F&R-SD + Machined-Aluminium-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 10" CF-Rims, ?" Hoosier LC0.
AERO: None.
MASS: 168 kg, 48F/52R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: Acc, SP = same?, AX = maybe 1 -2% better because better ergo.
HMMM...: Engine choice allows potentially very good car, but...?
~o0o~

13. TEAM #21, TOKYO DENKI UNIVERSITY (Japan).
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ENGINE: Honda PE06E 450 Single, 98 RON, N-A, 12.5:1 CR, 35 kW @ 8 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Drexler.
CHASSIS: CroMo Spaceframe.
SUSPENSION: CroMo-DW + Pull-F/Push-R-SD + Folded-Steel-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 10" Al-Rims, 6" Hoosier LC0.
AERO: None.
MASS: 170 kg, 48F/52R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: Acc, SP = same, AX = better because of Drexler.
HMMM...: Bad luck last year (broken CVs), maybe better this year.
~o0o~

14. TEAM #22, UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY (NSW, Oz).
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ENGINE: Aprilia RXV 550 V-Twin, 98 RON, N-A, 12:1 CR, 40 kW @ 10.5 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Drexler.
CHASSIS: CroMo Spaceframe.
SUSPENSION: CroMo-DW + Push-F&R-SD + Machined-Aluminium-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 13" Al-Rims, 7.5" Hoosier R25B.
AERO: None.
MASS: 182 kg, ?F/?R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: Acc, SP, AX = ?, but drivers say better because ergo and last year's negative-trail (!) fixed.
HMMM...: Polished version of last year's mid-fielder, but still powered by a hand-grenade.
~o0o~

15. TEAM #23, TOKAI UNIVERSITY (Japan).
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ENGINE: Longitudinal-Crank (!) Suzuki DL 650 (bore down) V-Twin, 98 RON, N-A, 13.5:1 CR, 51 kW @ 8 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Shaft-Drive to Bevel-Gear-ATV-Diff (unknown make).
CHASSIS: Full Carbon Monocoque.
SUSPENSION: CroMo-DW + Push-F/Pull-R-SD + Folded-Steel-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 13" Al-Rims, 7" Goodyear.
AERO: Mega-Sprung-Wings +UT.
MASS: 230 kg, 50F/50R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: "Yes! Much improvement.".
HMMM...: Potentially good big-winged car, but quite wide (front track = 1300 mm, OA = 1520 mm).
~o0o~

16. TEAM #25, UNIVERSITY OF WAIKATO (NZ).
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ENGINE: Suzuki GSR600 Four, 98 RON, N-A, 12.5:1 CR, 63 kW @ 11 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Mazda Viscous LSD.
CHASSIS: Mild-Steel Spaceframe.
SUSPENSION: MS-DW + Push-F&R-SD + Folded-Steel-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 13" Al-Rims, 7.5" Hoosier R25B.
AERO: UT only.
MASS: 244 kg, 49F/51R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: Untested???
HMMM...: Does a mechanical paddle-shift, behind steering-wheel, via cable, and incorporating clutch, maketh a fast car?
~o0o~

17. TEAM #63, UNIVERSITY OF NSW (NSW, Oz).
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ENGINE: Aprilia SXV550 V-Twin, 98 RON, N-A, 12.5:1 CR, 48 kW @ 9.5 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Spool, driven by 3/8"-Triplex-Chain, and driving Aluminium-Drive-Shafts via Flex-Disc-CVs.
CHASSIS: All Aluminium-Honeycomb Monocoque, 30 mm and 12 mm thick.
SUSPENSION: All Aluminium-DW + Pull-F&R-SD(underfloor) + Machined-Aluminium-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 10" x 8" All-Aluminium-Rims, ?" Hoosier LC0.
AERO: None.
MASS: 160 kg, 50F/50R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: All new car, better than last, but ... untested.
HMMM...: ALL ALUMINIUM CAR (did I mention that?) is lightweight, but they say that their hand-grenade is built with "Italian passion...".
~~~~~~~~~~o0o~~~~~~~~~~

As a general note, the "Probables" are distinguished from the "Possibles" by having a good idea of just how much faster this year's car is from last year's. The "Possibles" either haven't done enough testing to quantify their improvement, or haven't even thought about it, or maybe are not telling me!

More coming ...

Z

[Z]

THE GOT-THE-WOBBLES.
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Can you remember that feeling you had, after a very long, and tiring, and emotional night (read much alcohol consumed), and you were walking that long, long walk home, and it felt as if you had a pebble in your shoe, except that you might not have had any shoes on at all, and every now and then the footpath jumped up and smacked you in the face for no reason...? Ahhh, yes, ... life was never meant to be easy...

The following cars struck your faithful scribbler as having something that was not quite right...

Again, just in order of Team number. Maybe, hopefully, some of these cars can surprise.


18. TEAM #34, JAMES COOK UNIVERSITY OF QUEENSLAND (Nth Q, Oz).
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ENGINE: Honda CBR600F2 Four, 98 RON, N-A, 11.1:1 CR, ?? kW @ ?? krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Spool.
CHASSIS: CroMo Spaceframe.
SUSPENSION: CroMo-DW-Front + Push-F&R-SD + Machined-Aluminium-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 13" x 8" Al-Rims, 8" Hoosier R25B.
AERO: None.
MASS: ~300 kg, ?F/?R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: First year car, so INFINITE improvement! But untested...
HMMM...: Has radiator mounted behind engine. Quite sensible. But very wide, = ~1600 mm OA. And, err..., HEAVY.
~o0o~

19. TEAM #44, UNIVERSITY OF TASMANIA (Tas, Oz).
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ENGINE: BMW ~500cc(?) Single, 98 RON, N-A, 12:1 CR, 16 kW(at wheel) @ ~4 krpm (see below).
DIFFERENTIAL: Spool.
CHASSIS: Mild-Steel Spaceframe.
SUSPENSION: CroMo-DW + Push-F&R-SD + Machined-Aluminium-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 13" Al-Rims, 7.5"-F, 6"-R Hoosier R25B, very old...
AERO: None.
MASS: 220 kg, 51+F/49-R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: First year, so INFINITE improvement!
HMMM...: NO PLENUM restricts power to 30 hp max. Front heavy car + low power = tests better with larger tyres on front. C'mon, Jonny, finish Enduro! (But car had starting problems today. Aaack!)
~o0o~

20. TEAM #84, WARSAW UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY (Poland).
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ENGINE: BMW G450X Single, E85, Turboed, 12:1 CR, 42 kW @ 8.5 krpm.
DIFFERENTIAL: Drexler.
CHASSIS: Mild-Steel Spaceframe.
SUSPENSION: MS-DW + Pull-F/Push-R-SD + Machined-Aluminium-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 13" Al-Rims, 7" Avon (medium compound).
AERO: None.
MASS: 220 kg, 50F/50R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: "Faster because TURBO! But will depend on driver..."
HUH!?: Highest "Front-RC" in FS-World. "Is for clearance of high-mounted R&P".
HMMM...: Guaranteed Fastest European car! Will "WhiteEagle Racing" truly soar with the eagles?
~~~~~~~~~~o0o~~~~~~~~~~


And finally,

THE CODSWALLOP-ABLES.
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Planet Zed's journalistic bias hasn't budged one iota here. All we will say is that battery powered electric motors are only fit for three things. Small children's toys, those little fans you clip onto your baseball caps to cool your face, and marital aids. And we note that all three are better done by hand!

Nevertheless, we will give these poor deluded fools their 15 seconds of fame.

21. TEAM #E17, SWINBURNE UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY (Vic, Oz).
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MOTOR: Twin Enstroj Emrax LC 228, rated power (total) 70 kW.
BATTERY: 96 x LiPo-cells, ~350 V, 7.1 kWh (~26 MJ!!! - when will they learn!).
DIFFERENTIAL: Electric.
CHASSIS: CarbonFibre-on-Al-Honeycomb Monocoque.
SUSPENSION: CroMo-DW + Push-F&R-SD + Machined-Aluminium-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 10" x 8" Al-Rims, 7.5" Hoosier R25B.
AERO: UT only.
MASS: 240 kg, 45F/55R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: Acc = -0.1s, SP = -0.1s, AX = 5% better (though last year the smoke kept escaping).
HMMM...: Should Delft or Zurich be looking over their shoulders?
~o0o~

22. TEAM #E88, RMIT UNIVERSITY (Vic, Oz).
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MOTOR: Single Enstroj Emrax 228, rated power 45 kW.
BATTERY: 112 x LiPo-cells, ~450 V, 6.5 kWh (~24 MJ!!!).
DIFFERENTIAL: Drexler.
CHASSIS: CroMo SpaceFrame.
SUSPENSION: CroMo-DW + Push-F&R-SD + Machined-Aluminium-Uprights.
WHEELS & TYRES: 10" Al-Rims, ?" Hoosier R25B.
AERO: None.
MASS: 260 kg, 55?F/45?R.

IMPROVEMENT!?: "Massive!".
HMMM...: Again, should Delft or Zurich, or the C-cars...
~~~~~~~~~~o0o~~~~~~~~~~

New Calder Park track is much bigger than Werribee, quite interesting, with Skid-Pad sited on worst surface available (good )!

Weather tomorrow for start of Dynamic events should be warmish (25-30 C) and sunny, possibly with strong winds.

But eyelids now too heavy ... above "facts" may require massive adjustments ...

Maybe more tomorrow...

Z

[Rex Chan]

Hey Z,

I think what you also need to add to your survey is how many really fast drivers each team has

Personally, I think ECU has to be near the top of the list - this is a car that has been to a comp already, so should have plenty of kms on the clock.

[DMuusers]

Thanks for the info Z! Personally, I have to say I'm slightly underwhelmed with all the numbers though. Had expected teams be a lot lower in weight to be honest. Especially the single cylinders (except Auckland, 163kg is a good number and ECU is also quite light (for a 4))... Any idea on downforce numbers of the teams? ClA and CdA?
Curious to see all the acceleration and skidpad times, those should be good indicators of performance.

[mech5496]

Cool cool cool COOL! Thanks Z!