Maybe, who needs Class II?!

[Ahmad Rezq]

Luniz,
Kindly re-read my comment as i didn't find any type of ((finding excuses)) in the comment I did write yesterday.
Quote me if you find something. Except if your are talking about different person.
Regards, Ahmad

[Ahmad Rezq]

mech5496,
yes you are right but you won't enter class 2 every time yes maybe for the first time or maybe twice per year but at the end you wanna see your car on the track, and i think this is what marwan was trying to say.
Regards

[Jay Lawrence]

Ahmad,

What I think Luniz is trying to say is that you have come on here and talked with disdain about 'they' and 'their' inabilities, without realising that 'they' is actually you!

[onemaniac]

Why the hell you need $70,000 to build a basic FSAE car anyway???
My team spent less than $20,000 for our first car FROM NOTHING (so it includes all the 'standard parts' engine, ecu, dampers, rims, tyres, steering wheel etc)
Our annual budget is just around $11,000 including comp registration.
Sure we get parts and material sponsors here and there but the monetary value does not exceed $6-$7k range.
Even if things cost more in Egypt, $70k sounds ridiculous to me.

[Z]

Onemaniac,

I think the $70k is to fly all Team members to the UK, so they can take "selfies at the London Eye".

In which case I agree with Marwan that the whole exercise is a complete waste of time and money. Unfortunately, I think similar applies to much of Class I!

Z

[Claude Rouelle]

I never have been a Class 2 fan.

Waste of time, waste of opportunity to learn by doing.

FSAE and FS are bout designing AND manufacturing AND testing AND developing AND race cars.

If you do not have enough time and/or money then make it a 2 year project but BUILD and RACE and PROVE something instead of making it A simplistic intellectual exercise

You need to learn how to to put a bit more pressure in your self: except a few rare exceptions, I always have found Class 2 students a bit too relax and not really driven.

[Ahmad Rezq]

Claude Rouelle,
(Y) That's it .

[Lemon Lime]

Luniz, And everyone else here!,



What you're saying is quite similar of having a 12 years old kid, who constantly watches porn! It's not his fault that porn is free and everywhere on the internet! There is no excuse not to watch porn!

Class II is there, and no excuse not to enter Class II, right?!

Why we "Egyptians" go to class II?! That's the question!

We go to Class II for several reasons, well, none of them says "as an excuse for our rubbish performance"! Reason #1: Less number of teams means ability to rank high! "Lying to ourselves" + We don't rank high there too!

Reason#2: Procrastination ... ALL OF THE TIME! Well, mainly for bureaucratic reasons.

+ We have high customs fees in Egypt! A Honda CBR600 costs about 10,000$, Dampers cost about 8,000$! Flying tickets for 20 members costs about 10,000$! So that's about 30,000$ and no chassis, tires, rims, seat, body, manufacturing and rent for the workshop! Not to mention the software prices! "Pssst ... WE ONCE USED CRACKED S/W!" ILLEGAL S/W!

We manufacture nothing beneficial to FSAE in Egypt, well, except for the steel tubes and welding! Rest is exported! We're talking like, 70% at least are being exported! And because we order small amount of parts, we have to pay extra for shipping! "More parts means lesser shipping fee per part".

If a 12 years old teen have a great intention of giving up on watching porn, he will eventually! But as long as it's there and he has no great intention, he won't! Best solution as a parent to do is to install an anti-porn SW! Best solution to FSAE is cancelling Class II! Teams who enter Class II makes no progress! It doesn't make sense having a Class II in such "AN EASY" competition! FSAE Teams don't make time traveling machines! It's just a CAR!

And I have a message to all Egyptian teams here, It's not written in the bible that you have to finish the damn car within a year! Take two years to make it as best as possible, at least just when you visit London again you'll find yourself missing the London eye selfie! Please, FOR GOD SAKE!

Thanks for your attention all, Claude, Eric "Z" and Harry!

Best regards everyone,

M.Alabassiry

Cairo, Egypt.

[mech5496]

Marwan,

I know you are trying your best; I know you are sick of Egyptian teams spending a fortune and do nothing but failed Class 2 entries, but still it is not a Class 2 fault! My team is based in Greece; we do not make anything besides tomatoes and feta cheese here. Moreover, import taxes are around 35% of the item value. Still, cost is way lower....Try to find a salvaged bike locally for example, or go for cheaper dampers! You do NOT need fancy Ohlins dampers, you do NOT need an expensive CBR engine to be competitive! Most companies are willing to sponsor you software for free if you ask kindly! Oh, and going in a 2-year cycle splits the project cost in 2 years, making it easier for the Uni as well...

[,4lex S.]

+ We have high customs fees in Egypt! A Honda CBR600 costs about 10,000$, Dampers cost about 8,000$! Flying tickets for 20 members costs about 10,000$! So that's about 30,000$ and no chassis, tires, rims, seat, body, manufacturing and rent for the workshop! Not to mention the software prices! "Pssst ... WE ONCE USED CRACKED S/W!" ILLEGAL S/W!

2 quick points for your consideration:
1) I don't know much about the Egyptian economy, but somebody somewhere must make/recondition an FSAE legal small engine. When we have issues with our CBR, I frequently joke about just installing the Baja engine and running it (little does my team know I am serious...). I was also hunting around Egyptian classifieds and found WAY cheaper 250cc bikes available (full bike...). In terms of dampers, the F500 series runs a number of different polymer puck damper systems which aren't ideal, but they work and are super cheap. If you do some studies in lap time simulation, you should be able to figure out what kind of engine power gets you acceptable performance relative to a typical 4 cyl, but with the added drive time and reliability of a super simple car your drivers may well outclass many of the 4 cyls!

Basically what I am saying is, I feel like a lot of teams from outside of the established countries look to 'good' teams as a model to follow, which from a design point of view is a recipe for disaster. But, if you look at the rules, your local resources, and the performance you want to achieve, you can make a solid car pretty much anywhere (perhaps I will try to prove this someday when I am not doing my MASc).

2) Forgive me if you asked and they didn't help you out, but there is absolutely no excuse for using cracked software in FSAE! Every major company is happy to give out free licenses, or at a heavy discount. It is in their best interest to get us all hooked on their product before we head out into industry as engineers

There is so much potential out there. You just need to change your approach to the problem to fit your resources. For inspiration, look at UC Berkley, and Kettering. Teams that do darn well without spending all their money and time making CF monocoques and turbocharged four cylinder rocket ships. It is people who are upset about the status quo who can effect actual change so it is up to you, and not the folks at FSUK.