Formula SAE 2006 Competition: Detroit - Updates, Pictures, Stories, and More. [Archive]

RiNaZ

05-18-2006, 07:30 PM

i wish i could have it bigger, but the host isnt letting me do the original image. I know the picture that i take is big since one picture is about 3MB.

But even if it was big, there's nothing interesting that you can see anyways. The first picture is UWA and the second is Penn State.

Here are some more pictures ...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid206/p5e489351e0f862442007f20fcc856c9d/eef0d58c.jpg

this is a picture of penn state's rear and below is lehigh's car with CF a-arms ...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid206/pdd288529c87f351c0c2d8ca43b1af426/eef0d4f8.jpg

and below is oxford's car ...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid206/p367539573475d7a6ca16c3c739ced56f/eef0d3f4.jpg

RiNaZ

05-18-2006, 07:38 PM

charlie, i cant remember all the teams, but i know auburn is one of the semi-finalist in design. And then there's NUS (national univ. singapore) and RMIT ... Sooner's racing (Oklahoma) ... cornell (of course) ... and i think oxford univ. too and maybe UWA.

ohhh and penn state too. alright ... that's all i can remember now http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Wildcat_Alum

05-18-2006, 07:45 PM

I can host pictures, any size. If people are intereseted, I have an FTP server setup, and then I can load to my picture website. Or email pics to me in smaller chunks, check my profile for email address. I'll set up hosting for anyone who wants it. I was going to do this for UofA anyways.
Jon

RiNaZ

05-18-2006, 07:53 PM

by the way ... i was at the honda banquet just now and we were playing those ruffles tickets. And the winner of a Honda CBR R3 engine was suppose to be University of Arizona, but nobody claimed it so the new engine went to another university ... i cant remember which one though.

ttk3

05-18-2006, 08:04 PM

Wow, that's a nice intake the Penn State car.

Wildcat_Alum

05-18-2006, 08:58 PM

UofArizona did win the Engine, Its a new Honda 600RR, and is sitting in the hotel room.
I guess they're switching to honda next year.
I'll try to get an update on design status.
From what I was told, getting in and out of the event is a hassle, and the tech inspections were increadibly picky this year.

Good luck to all the teams.

I'm serious about hosting photos. I have unlimited space and plenty of bandwidth, and would love to see the photos anyways, I'm also headed to the Cal event, and will be posting all the photos from there.

Jon

Alan

05-18-2006, 09:14 PM

Design Semi-finalists:

Penn State
Oxford Brookes
Wisconsin-Madison
Michigan State
Cornell
Akron
Lawrence Tech
Dartmouth
Auburn
Waterloo
RMIT
ETS
Oklahoma
Western Australia
Singapore

Dan G

05-18-2006, 09:19 PM

I heard LTU flipped their car and it caught fire a couple days ago? And they got it all back together for the semis! Impressive to say the least. Anyone have more details though?

Also, sorry my shots are so lacking on other teams. I should have a lot more time for photos tomorrow.

Kimmo Hirvonen

05-19-2006, 02:59 AM

Here's Helsinki Polytechnic's trip so far. I took quite a few pictures of other cars as well, but not that many technical ones.
http://www.formula.stadia.fi/fsae06/index.html

STL1PSU

05-19-2006, 05:30 AM

More Results, Need More Results!!!

Thanks for posting the Design Semi's

Who made the Design Finals?

Presentation, Cost, Weight, anything...

Charlie

05-19-2006, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by Alan:
Design Semi-finalists:

Penn State
Oxford Brookes
Wisconsin-Madison
Michigan State
Cornell
Akron
Lawrence Tech
Dartmouth
Auburn
Waterloo
RMIT
ETS
Oklahoma
Western Australia
Singapore

Awesome! Thanks. And thanks to everyone else reporting. I'll try and return the favor at FSAE West.

BrianD

05-19-2006, 06:23 AM

the LTU car hit a curb and flipped over on wednesday at about 4am. many suspension parts and the rear box were destroyed as well as the car catching fire and the engine block cracking. The driver was not injured, thankfully. The physical testing of rollover was successful!

the team came together and worked on that car from 5am wednesday until they got it to competition (luckily machine shops that they used had made spares of some of the parts). Car's back together now. Stop by and see the team.

Good luck to everyone in Romeo !

-Brian (LTU 2005 Team Leader)

Tim H. Heinemann

05-19-2006, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by BrianD:
the LTU car hit a curb and flipped over on wednesday at about 4am.

I guess you try to avoid SERT police officers with too much time by testing in the middle of the night. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

However, pretty astonishing effort from a car as damaged as you said to the design semis! Must be a good one then.....

Tim

Ecurie Aix - RWTH Aachen FSAE team, 00-04

evy82

05-19-2006, 12:01 PM

Thank you all for keeping us updated on the results.. anyone knows how the Venezuelan teams did???? Universidad del Zulia! YAY! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Good luck everyone!
evy*

Steve Yao

05-19-2006, 12:27 PM

Did that Puerto Rican team pass tech with that 'impact attenuator'?

Originally posted by Dan G:
There might be about 15 shots in here, but I don't know because the upload stopped halfway through and now my image server isn't responding.

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/FSAE06

Papa Lemming

05-19-2006, 05:09 PM

Any news on Universidad Simon Bolivar?

VFR750R

05-19-2006, 05:16 PM

Apparently the Cornell car missed Skidpad. They took the car off site for some work, had to retech, sound, and brake in the morning and didn't make it into the dynamic event until 11:30. They got one accel run in and were in line for skidpad when the event closed. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Lars Kanter

05-19-2006, 05:43 PM

Hey we got four runs in the drag today, but we weren't on the score sheet when they posted the results. We spoke with one of the officials and will try to get something done about it tomorrow, but it would help to have some evidence to support the fact that we actually ran. Does anyone happen to have video of any of our runs? Our car # is 142, Brown University.

Scott Sinclair

05-19-2006, 05:49 PM

but we weren't on the score sheet when they posted the results

These results you speak of....can anyone post them on here?

Scott Sinclair
Ex UWA Motosport

Dan G

05-19-2006, 05:54 PM

If anyone finds the link to the enduro running order on the sae.org site, post it up here.

Also, I put my new camera through its paces today. Probably got it a little wetter than I should've but its working great. I'll have today's photos up after dinner.

OmniscientGT

05-19-2006, 06:21 PM

Where do we find the results of the Autocross from this afternoon? In the endurance driver's meeting the said they would (possibly) post the results online. If anyone already has them, please post.

Cheers

TheoD

05-19-2006, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by Lars Kanter:
Hey we got four runs in the drag today, but we weren't on the score sheet when they posted the results. We spoke with one of the officials and will try to get something done about it tomorrow, but it would help to have some evidence to support the fact that we actually ran. Does anyone happen to have video of any of our runs? Our car # is 142, Brown University.

Brown Good Luck on the competition

Theo
Brown FSAE 92-2003

BrokenBack

05-19-2006, 07:02 PM

Design Finalists (5):

ETS
Penn State
RMIT
Waterloo
Western Australia

jdmdb1

05-19-2006, 07:10 PM

Brown university-
We were behind you guys before you did one of your acceleration runs. We even asked you guys if you were in line for driver #2 and kinda cut in behind you from the driver #1 lineup..

Did you have a transponder attatched to the car?

also interested in the endurance order if anyone knows where it will be posted...

clif2001

05-19-2006, 07:26 PM

what's the deal? there was a lot more action on this site last year.

bigtoyota9

05-19-2006, 07:29 PM

N.C. State won skid pad. Thats the only info I could get out of the guys from the team, they were really excited.

Go Wolfpack!!!!

05-19-2006, 07:32 PM

From Kaley Shellhammer via SAE.org FSAE Forum:

Endurance P.M. Run Order

91 Texas A & M University-College Station
1 Cornell University
36 University of Kansas-Lawrence
2 University of Western Australia
3 University of Wisconsin-Madison
141 Southern Polytechnic State University
15 Iowa State University
60 University of Cincinnati
111 RMIT University
41 Michigan State University
12 University of Toledo
135 University of Oklahoma
66 Universite Laval
52 University of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign
34 Purdue University-W Lafayette
8 Saginaw Valley State University
119 Oxford Brookes University
101 Helsinki Polytechnic
38 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
7 North Carolina State University-Raleigh
48 Rutgers University
40 University of Pittsburgh-Pittsburgh
35 University of Florida
143 University of Western Ontario
51 Georgia Insitute of Technology
16 Drexel University
39 Rochester Institute of Technology
30 Virginia Tech
142 Brown University
69 University of Akron
24 Auburn University
53 Northern Illinois University
125 University of Toronto
37 National University of Singapore
58 University of Hertfordshire

Endurance P.M. Run Order (Page 2)

71 Kokushikan University
49 University of New Hampshire
140 La Universidad Del Zulia
23 Michigan Tech University
29 Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst
9 University of Missouri-Rolla
129 Yeungnam University
81 Ohio State University
47 Universite Du Quebec-Chicoutimi
108 Queen's University Ontario Canada
122 Kookmin University
26 University of Wisconsin-Platteville
11 US Air Force Academy
117 St Cloud State University
63 Cedarville University
103 Chungbuk National University
130 Monroe County Community Coll
78 Mississippi State University
82 Tokai University
95 Bradley University
13 US Naval Academy
42 RWTH Aachen Tech University
85 University of Colorado-Denver
134 Hoseo University
88 Ferris State University
120 Temple University

Endurance A.M. Run Order

93 Oakland University
89 Universite Du Quebec a Trois-Rivieres
25 Universidad Simon Bolivar
6 Penn State University
86 University of Colorado-Boulder
68 Kanazawa University
44 Dartmouth College
79 Kanagawa Institute of Technology
27 University of Idaho
33 University of Maryland-College Park
72 Carnegie Mellon University
94 University of Alabama-Tuscaloosa
57 University of New Mexico
106 Old Dominion University
54 University of Missouri-Columbia
133 Universidad Panamericana
131 University of North Carolina - Charlotte
50 Milwaukee School of Engrg
56 University of Windsor
102 University of Manitoba
118 Kumoh National Institute of Technology
98 Louisiana State University
83 University of South Florida
114 Clemson University
65 Ecole De Technologie Superieure
126 Southern Illinois University-Edwardville
21 McGill University
84 Florida Atlantic University
80 Minnesota State University - Mankato
77 University of Evansville
14 University of Michigan-Dearborn
112 Tennessee Tech University
18 Clarkson University
99 Vanderbilt University
96 University of North Dakota

Original Post: http://www.formulasae.org/forums/formula/dispatch.cgi/a...0081/d20060520022857 (http://www.formulasae.org/forums/formula/dispatch.cgi/announcements/docProfile/100081/d20060520022857)

XLS File: http://www.formulasae.org/forums/formula/dispatch.cgi/a...857/No/RUN_Order.xls (http://www.formulasae.org/forums/formula/dispatch.cgi/announcements/showFile/100081/d20060520022857/No/RUN_Order.xls)

OmniscientGT

05-19-2006, 08:01 PM

Thanks for the running order.

Issue #2: Skidpad equation breakdown

Declared a wet event this year, many teams had unusually slow times. In fact, many were slower than the special "6.184" (check the rules for the equation). Basically, this yielded a whole 2.5 points for any of those teams.

Did anyone raise this issue?

KevinD

05-19-2006, 08:04 PM

ok, so anyone have some results??? we know the winner of skidpad, but what was the time?

how about autocross?

accel?

and where are all the people who are sopposed to be taking pictures? i have an addiction to seeing this stuff and i feel like i am on withdraw!

Charlie

05-19-2006, 08:13 PM

I agree, not much info. Here's what I gathered from Auburn's team.

A lot of teams missed skidpad. (From above post, including Cornell!) Not sure what all the reasons were. They closed the event while there was a line. Auburn had a mechanical problem that kept them from getting in line sooner. So they missed the whole event. Not blaming this on organizers at all, just a fact. If several teams ran in the wet and got low scores, this could be a pretty big deal!

Besides that, all I heard was that Auburn had a lackluster day because of engine issues. Hope that since they made it in the 'fast' enduro group they can set a good time!

VFR750R

05-19-2006, 08:53 PM

So more updates as I get them. The reason Cornell took the car off site was it wouldn't start. Apparently a lot of E85 cars wouldn't start and the organizers are allowing teams to run off site E85. Intersting after the problems with gas last year as well. Word is the E85 is more like E95.

Additionally the fast skidpad time was around a 5.4!!

Not that anyone cares for us but we may still be in it. We missed skidpad but apparently UWA only got 20pts and we got 63 in business and 87 from cost. Sorry, I don't have a full run down on any events.

Penn State is doing pretty well, they won accel and did well in skidpad.

ttk3

05-19-2006, 09:12 PM

How's the weather looking for the endurance runs?

rambler323

05-19-2006, 09:18 PM

So, here's what I've gathered so far:

Design Finals:
ETS, Penn State, RMIT, Waterloo & Western Australia
Semis:
Above plus Oxford Brookes, Wisconsin-Madison, Michigan State, Cornell, Akron, Lawrence Tech, Dartmouth, Auburn, Oklahoma, and Singapore

Skidpad
1. NC State
2. ?
3. ?
4. ?
5. ?

The endurance running order is supposed to be based on the autocross so I'm going to infer that

Autocross
1. Texas A&M
2. Cornell
3. Kansas-Lawrence
4. Western Australia
5. Wisconsin-Madison

Anyone else got any more information?

Johnny B

05-19-2006, 09:57 PM

Does anyone have a time for the fastest autocross lap??

Aanything you remember standing out:
I saw 46.9-- from Western Australia

NJM.

05-19-2006, 10:39 PM

You're right Judd (vfr750r) nobody cares about you guys or if you are still in it. Just kidding. Bad luck sucks.

Looks like the weather should be much better for the endurance. Should be some good racing. Is anybody taking any video? I would like to see a few autocross laps.

By the way. Go NC State!

Noah McKay
NCSU Captain 01-03
RCR Aero Engineer

Scott Sinclair

05-20-2006, 12:15 AM

For those struggling to deal with not being in Detroit, Check out:

http://www.iinet.com.au/~senator/uwam_autocross05.mpeg (http://www.iinet.com.au/%7Esenator/uwam_autocross05.mpeg)

Its in-car footage of the UWA machine in action at the Aus comp last December.

(let me know if the link dosen't work)

Enjoy!

Scott Sinclair

(its a 20meg file)

ttk3

05-20-2006, 12:29 AM

Link worked. That's some good stuff! The quality when the car got up to speed was a little sketchy but I can go to bed satisfied now. Thanks!

rotor

05-20-2006, 12:41 AM

RMIT progress, sorry for the biased report dont know any other teams that answer their mobiles at midnight detroit time...

7th accel
7th pres
9th autocross
dont know position but 84 points in cost
skid pad wasnt good as it was raining

Apparently going into autocross Wisconsin-Madison was leading points ahead of RMIT

Mark Hester
RMIT Fan Club

Dan G

05-20-2006, 03:44 AM

UM-Dearborn:
3rd cost
15th skidpad
4.9 accel in the wet
53 and a cone in the autox

I'm uploading some pics but we have to go. So I might have to cut if off short.

Of the cars I've seen, Lehigh has my vote. Full carbon monocoque, full carbon a-arms, including a flex section at the inboard joints, no bushings or rod ends!

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06/IMG_0147.sized.jpg

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/FSAE06

Rob.C

05-20-2006, 05:10 AM

forgive me if im being silly, but i thought there was a rule that says that no engine fluids, i.e. coolant water, is allowed infront og the main roll hoop?

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/FSAE06/IMG_0121

although having said tha, i cannot find that rule anywhere!

Sam Zimmerman

05-20-2006, 09:38 AM

Congrats to the U of Idaho for making it through the endurance. Good work guys. From whay I hear, they struggled with the engine all week but they never gave up and kept going.

You should all be proud.

HenningO

05-20-2006, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by Rob.C:
although having said tha, i cannot find that rule anywhere!

I never heard of it...

VFR750R

05-20-2006, 10:34 AM

Cornell and UWA out of Endurance

Andres

05-20-2006, 11:25 AM

First of all, CONGRATS to my team! Universidad SimÃ³n BolÃ*var, we finished enduro, we didnt get to design semis, but that doesnt matter now. Any more news of the team that finished enduro????

Alejandro

05-20-2006, 11:46 AM

how many teams have finished enduro?

NJM.

05-20-2006, 11:46 AM

NC State finished endurance with pretty good average times. Should be a great finish this year considering they haven't finished worse than 20th in any dynamic events, (assuming top 20 in endurance), and winning skidpad. Heard Michigan State and Florida had some fast lap times and I believe both have finished endurance. Heard that Texas A&M, Cincinatti, and Wisconsin-Madison did not finish endurance. And the Cincinatti car caught on fire.

Excited for my Alma Mater. Great team this year of good smart kids. This is the best part of being an alumi, seeing your previous hard work develop and progress into an even more successful program. And when you beat Cornell! Hahaha.

Noah McKay
NCSU Captain 01-03
Aero Engineer - Richard Childress Racing

Kevin Hayward

05-20-2006, 11:50 AM

VFR750R,

When you say Cornell and UWA are out of endurance does that mean out as in finished or out as in broken down?

Kev

VFR750R

05-20-2006, 12:02 PM

Broke, Cornell had an oil leak and UWA also did not come out of driver change.

Kevin Hayward

05-20-2006, 12:42 PM

Bummer

clif2001

05-20-2006, 01:42 PM

Does anyone know any specifics on Texas A&M's performance?

MaizeRage

05-20-2006, 01:51 PM

Can anyone give a run down on who all has finished Endurance?

Anyone know anything about U. of Michigan Ann Arbor?

Go Blue!

JadgPzIV

05-20-2006, 01:54 PM

I would like to receive some result too, but I think they are all at the Big Buck at this hour! Or maybe the new track is too far from it...

Test Driver

05-20-2006, 03:15 PM

I left early but I got to see some of the early runner's attrition.

TA&M - out soon after driver change. Some driveline gremlin at fault.

Cornell - out during changeover, I heard due to some oil leak.

UWA - also out during changeover also leaking oil.

Wisconsin Madison - out, I believe during first stint, semi-spectacular cloud right in front of stands.

I had to leave (no, not to get a good seat at Big Bucks) when the second wave of cars was let in. I'm sure others will update.
Ramon

Charlie

05-20-2006, 04:11 PM

Sounds like another 2003, when tons of top contenders fell out of enduro.

Kirk Feldkamp

05-20-2006, 04:18 PM

Ok... so it's 715pm in Detroit... who won?!

Thankfully we wont have to deal with any rain out here next month.

-Kirk

Alejandro

05-20-2006, 04:31 PM

my team has dissapeared..

what happened?

anyone... someone...

Korey Morris

05-20-2006, 04:43 PM

I am in the process or uploading what video I was able to take today. I had my camera with me for the afternoon endurance event. The filenames should explain most of them.

I didn't catch times for the end of the event, but Florida had fast time for a while with a 65.500 (I think). More teams than usual where able to finish, but many of the big names did not. It was a beautiful day for it!

Off to the shower then Big Bucks!

http://www.engr.uky.edu/~kamorr0/videos/FSAE06/ (http://www.engr.uky.edu/%7Ekamorr0/videos/FSAE06/)

Dave M

05-20-2006, 05:44 PM

who won???? I cant stand the suspense

rotor

05-20-2006, 05:50 PM

Design finals are sunday so no results yet..

Captain Redbeard

05-20-2006, 06:27 PM

Alright, Alright, Everyone calm down. Here is the Scoop:

Cornell - Out due to engine overheating. They were burning oil during their first 11 laps and did not come out of the driver changed. I wantched as they mounted a great effort to replace the entire top half of their engine in order to make it out for the Road and Track event. I'm pretty sure they got up and running again.
As a side note, the E85 that was at comp was bad. We also had issues after we filled the car up on firday and the car was stalling all over the place (costing us our 4th accel run). We had some E85 with us anmd the organizers allowed us to bring it out and get fueled with that.

UWA - Out at the driver change due to leaking oil on the track. They filled up their oil catch can and it overflowed. They are running a dry sump and the thought is that something is wrong with the separator.

ETS - Out due to an issue with the brake pedal that caused them to be partially braked the entire time, causing excesive heating of the brakes.

Texas A&M - During the first lap of their second driver they had a component of the differential fail causing it to eat itself up.

Wisconsin - Not exactly sure what happened but the engine let out a ton of smoke after their first few laps.

We lost a wheel because of improper manufacturing of a rear spindle that needed replacing about a week ago. Pretty frustrating to have something that embarrasing happen after 2 months of testing with no failures. Anyway, seems like the top contenders are RMIT, Kansas, and Michigan State.

All three of the events on Friday were pretty hectic which is why the scores are so scatered with respect to the top teams. We managed to place 4th in Skidpad but did not due well in Accel because our drivers had never practiced in the rain. Many of the faster teams were also disappointed in autocross because of bad weather information. The track started to dry a little and it looked like more rain was coming so many teams rushed to make runs. In the end, the track dried up very well and teams were able to post better scores. It did make for a pretty exciting endurance race with many many passes. We were turing low 67 second lap times in the AM crew and passed 3 teams before the whole wheel "issue".

Unfortunately, I don't have any shots of the scoring sheets because I figured someone would have jumped right on that. Hopefully someone with tons of pictures will post soon.

-Matt

Dan G

05-20-2006, 07:17 PM

Ah what a blast. The UM-D team fared decently well, we picked up a bunch of points that we didn't get last year, but lost some in other places. I'm guessing we'll end up with nearly the same point total/place.

We did find a blown head gasket on a post-enduro teardown. The engine was not behaving nicely all weekend. When it was working right, it was great, but it was inconsistent. A lot of 1 cylinder, 1.5, .5... you get the idea. It was pretty much on .25 cylinders for the first few laps of the enduro. I was moving at a snails pace and nearly stalled a few times. After the first half a lap though, it started to make a continuous improvement. It was at a consistent half power/1 cylinder by the 3rd or 4th lap and full power by about the 7th. And stayed full power all the way through the next drivers 11 laps. So we're still working out the kinks and have yet to even compete with the Briggs at full power. In rough running form we dynoed at 6.5hp baby! But we were 15th in skid, 30th in accel, 66th (stupid cone... er, driver) in autox, and finished endurance. I can't remember what our fuel economy was, but I think were were in the lead for the cars before lunch. Can't imagine the cars after lunch were turning faster laps on less gas, but I could be wrong.

So now what you've been waiting for, the pictures. The new camera was great, although I did snap a few horrible shots with the full 12x optical zoom in use. Tough to track a car that fills the frame when you're so far away. But I'll keep at it. I snapped off somewhere around 500 pictures this weeked. So that means I got about 4 good shots out of the deal.

I did try to get as many teams as I could. I'm sure I have multiple pics of some teams, and none of some others.

If you'd like a high res version of any of the shots, let me know. (2592x1944 resolution, ~1.5-2 MB each) If you're from a magazine, you are welcome to use any of them so long as you tell me where I can get a copy!

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/FSAE06

Nick McNaughton

05-20-2006, 07:42 PM

It wasn't quite like that for UWA. Everyone around us was oiling the track. Cornell had some issues and dropped a bit, and Wisconsin kicked a rod out of the block in front of us. We copped a bit of damage on the bashplate/tub when we ran over a bit of their crankshaft. Photos will be posted soon!

Our oil system was overfilled, which was our undoing on the RH sweeper at the back of track. The level was high enough to cover the inlet to the catchcan at 1.8G.. and blowby then blew some oil out of the can. It made a mess down the side of the car, but not much was lost. Unfortunately, it was enough to get pinged in the driver change.

A few teams had trouble with the fuel, at least two teams I talked to had to replace fuel system components as a result of filling up with something unexpected. RMIT couldn't make their car idle, and we had all sorts of problems getting our throttle response back after changing fuels. I'm sure the 5-10 DegC ambients didn't help... conditions that just don't happen often enough in Perth to tune for it.

RiNaZ

05-20-2006, 07:53 PM

Can someone record the design review and post it up on the board? thanks a bunch!!! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BStoney

05-20-2006, 07:55 PM

Yes, the Cincinnati car did catch fire....1/2 lap from completing the enduro, (very disappointing obviously). Bill, our 2nd driver, was uninjured and actually surprised when he realized it was on fire, he had no clue until he turned backwards. We will be tearing down the rear end starting Monday morning and should have a root cause by then. Dave will probably be posting the engine team's findings then. As for now, we know we threw a rod cap and spewed oil on the undertray, which was the source of the fire. Possible causes include: spin #4 bearing, lean fuel mixture due to incorrect air temperature compensation, oil starvation...

Verdict will be in on Monday. Very disappointing since we were heading for an Overall Top 5 finish. But hey, that is why we do this competition gig every year, and not just once!!

MSUMotorsports

05-20-2006, 08:25 PM

I'm a member of Mississippi State University's Formula team, and this was our first year competing in Formula SAE. Technically it is State's second year, but the previous car was built in 1996.......

We had trouble passing sound tech, and had to weld in some gussets and another bar to pass inspection, but we got everything hammered out. We didn't make skidpad or acceleration due to the sound tech, but managed to complete autocross. The car did not have a decent tune on the engine for Detroit's conditions. We did manage to get everything evened out before endurance and finished with no problems. The engine still wasn't up to par with what we put on the trailer in Mississippi, but it was decent overall.

We had a great time and look forward to competing next year!

B Hise

05-20-2006, 08:56 PM

I ran first thing in the morning (2nd driver, 10th car) and before some demon took my suspension mount I was driving in a ton of oil. From what I saw my car was clean, but I might as well have benn driving in a litter box. It was tough piloting the car through oil, spill granulate and 3000 red/yellow flags waving in every corner but thats racing... Sorry to anyone else who had to do it too.

I'll probably post my recap of comp in a few days.

Bryan

Dan G

05-20-2006, 09:07 PM

I just uploaded a short dyno vid of Helsinki. 80hp, 55ftlbs. Check it out...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8648178804867394813

And I think I have all my pictures posted up now. Like I said, drop me a note if you'd like high res versions.

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/FSAE06

CMURacing - Prometheus

05-20-2006, 09:12 PM

dan --

no pictures of our (i skipped out of enduro for graduation) alma mater?

As for enduro results, from what I hear, we didn't make it out of driver change due to a mysterious hot start problem. literally, a mystery. the car got pushed back to the paddock and started on the first crank. sucks for us, especially after seeing the attrition from the afternoon run group.

Wood

05-20-2006, 10:25 PM

I know there's a few people wondering about the Lawrence Tech incident. So here's a few pics of the aftermath right after we brought our car back into the lab.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1924Small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1923Small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1922Small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1921Small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1920Small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1919Small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1918Small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1917Small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1916Small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1915Small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1914Small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1913Small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1912Small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1911Small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1910Small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1909Small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/profplum/IMG_1908Small.jpg

I believe that the gates to competition opened at 6:30 am on Wednesday. And since this happened at 5 am, I'm betting we have a new FSAE record for the least amount of time before competition that a school has wrecked their car.

I also took about a minute long video during the inital few minutes that the judges in design semis were obsessed with. It's actually become a pretty famous video. If someone can tell me how to upload videos, then I can toss that on this thread too.

James Waltman

05-20-2006, 10:58 PM

Thanks for the pictures and updates everyone.

Congratulations to LTU on what must have been one hell of an effort.

Wood,
You need to get the video somewhere online that you can link to.
If the video is less than 10MB (or maybe a little over) you can email it to me and I'll get it up for you (check my profile). If it's bigger than that you might be able to use the offer at the top of page 2 of this thread.

VFR750R

05-20-2006, 11:34 PM

Word on the street is Cornell replaced their blown engine and won Road and Track which was held sat night instead of sun morning...with Sean. Sean was supposed to run skidpad and endurance but was denied. Sean's the engine team leader this year and deserved a good run. Thanks Sean for holding the flag.

repeatoffender

05-21-2006, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by Nick McNaughton:
It wasn't quite like that for UWA. Everyone around us was oiling the track. Cornell had some issues and dropped a bit, and Wisconsin kicked a rod out of the block in front of us. We copped a bit of damage on the bashplate/tub when we ran over a bit of their crankshaft. Photos will be posted soon!

pass around the blame?

05-21-2006, 05:28 AM

HI GAYS!
I want to know 2006 results soon.
Wath team win this year?

JerryLH3

05-21-2006, 06:00 AM

The University of South Florida finished endurance. It was pretty easy to tell where we were on track at all times as we had to be the loudest car out there. During endurance, myself and a teammate walked behind the motorhome on course and were instantly worried since we couldn't hear the car.

After we finished the endurance race, one of the event organizers informed us we were to go back to sound check, because the course workers had said our car was painful to listen to. We repassed sound, and even 1 dBa *lower* than when we first passed tech.

Mikko Kataja

05-21-2006, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by Dan G:
I just uploaded a short dyno vid of Helsinki. 80hp, 55ftlbs. Check it out...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8648178804867394813

Dan, you missed the best run where the output was 87hp. I can scan it later if someone wants to see it.. Anyway, we've had some problems with the gt100. The mapping with gt100 back home wasn't correct with the gt100 at the event. But, that didn't affect much to the full throttle dyno run! At the track car wasn't running well.. Thanks to dynomite guys we got it better for endurance!

PatClarke

05-21-2006, 06:22 AM

Mikka,
Tell Matti I am still waiting to see that elusive 100 horsepower.
Seriously, good show! I'll catch you guys in Europe

Regards
Pat

RiNaZ

05-21-2006, 06:50 AM

I forgot where this team came from but what do you guys think of the tyre performance? that tyre is preeettty wide.

RiNaZ

05-21-2006, 06:50 AM

I forgot where this team came from but what do you guys think of the tyre performance? that tyre is preeettty wide.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid206/pe4c4cfc98f3284604c445a801ffb064b/eee84294.jpg

JerryLH3

05-21-2006, 07:14 AM

I seem to recall UNC-Charlotte was the team with the wide tires. I wanted to walk around all weekend and take some pictures, but I never had the time. Luckily, there was a guy in our crew who was able to take about 4 GB worth of pictures. I can't wait to see them all.

jerktaculus

05-21-2006, 10:11 AM

results please ..

Dan G

05-21-2006, 11:28 AM

1st RMIT
2nd Penn State
3rd UMich-AA

I'll have a photo of the top 30ish teams overall up in a minute. They said they'd try to have the official results up on the sae.org site tomorrow.

kwancho

05-21-2006, 11:36 AM

Congrats! The top 3 show that light weight really pays off!

Dan G

05-21-2006, 11:42 AM

Congrats RMIT guys!

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06/IMG_0557.sized.jpg

Today's photos start on the last row of this page...

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/FSAE06?page=9

And here is a photo of the unofficial overall results (up to 40th place). I think the yellow highlighter means non top-10 teams that finished all events, line through the team means missed a score in one or more events.

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06/06_unofficial_results.sized.jpg

Click here for a larger size of those results...

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/FSAE06/06...icial_results?full=1 (http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/FSAE06/06_unofficial_results?full=1)

My team improved from 39th last year to 31st this year. We improved drastically in skidpad and acceleration scores, but lost points in autox and accel due to some engine trouble and not enough driver practice (as in, first 56 and 53 seconds our second autox driver was behind the wheel).

Congrats to all teams, especially the top finishers. Also, I was pretty happy with the FPG venue. There were a few things that were better and a few things that were worse. But in all, I think it worked out great and didn't deserve all the fuss we were making leading up to the event.

See you guys next year! Or some of you out at FSAE West if I can just remember to get a plane ticket (to spectate).

Also, as I said, if you have any specific requests for full size pictures, just send them my way. Here's an example of one at full size...

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/FSAE06/example?full=1

JadgPzIV

05-21-2006, 11:51 AM

Congratulation to every team who compete in the event, the amount of work is so huge to built a FSAE.

And Congratulation to Laval University...

2004 : 104 th
2005 : 26 th
2006 : 14 th

Best result since the team is born in 1990!

ttk3

05-21-2006, 12:06 PM

Congrats to RMIT! They've definitely earned it.

Strong RIT showing again. Hopefully we can move up in the West competition.

Smeagle

05-21-2006, 12:19 PM

Congratulations RMIT!!! Awesome job guys. Well deserved win. To Skinny, Deano, Big Bird, BJG, Baz, Jacob, Brad, Abaz and lethal. You rock my world.
Bad luck to UWA. We know as well as most that endurance is a bitch.

El Ricards

05-21-2006, 12:28 PM

Congratulations to the USB from Venezuela.. You did a great job guys.. 24th.. itÂ´s impressive what can we do in this country, IÂ´m very proud of you.. We are just waiting, to start the celebration.. and the next year.. fear us.. because 24th is not good enough.. we have to be first!!

Kevin Hayward

05-21-2006, 01:31 PM

Big congratulations to RMIT. They have definitely shown the world what they are capable of. Have won both the student event and the big one in Detroit.

Kev

Simmaz

05-21-2006, 02:15 PM

Great work RMIT!!

A BIG congratulations from everyone here at UOW!

Great to see the Aussies bringing back the silverware again.

Look forward to catching up in a couple of weeks in California.

PatClarke

05-21-2006, 02:37 PM

Well, Once again RMIT have done themselves and the Aussie competition proud.
Congratulations to the entire team and their supporters, backers and the past team members who helped them get to where they are.
It's a pity I am not there to share a beer with Geoff and the team, but no doubt we will catch up sometime when you get back.
Congratulations too to UWA despite their DNF in Endurance (Still unfinished business, eh guys?)
Again, congratulations on a job REALLY well done.
Geoff, I suspect you have helped to change the shape of FSAE!

Congratulations and commiserations to all teams involved. Remember, despite the kudos going to the winners, the real value of FSAE is the Journey rather than the Destination.

Regards to all
Pat Clarke

Scott Sinclair

05-21-2006, 03:24 PM

I'd also like to say Big Ups to RMIT on their effort. Well deserved after some bad luck at the Aus comp.

Commiserations to UWA on the enduro DNF...we'll get 'em next year

Scott Sinclair

Mike Cook

05-21-2006, 03:39 PM

does anyone have the rest of the results?

nanron3000

05-21-2006, 04:18 PM

Congrats! RMIT and Penn State show that light weight really pays off.

I should point out that you should be saying that about Michigan-Ann Arbor, as well. I believe they were the second lightest 4 cylinder (behind PSU) at 426 pounds.

They also did it with an entirely 4130 space frame (!).

Fil

05-21-2006, 04:41 PM

Congratulations to everyone who competed!

Especially to Big Bird and the RMIT boys, you did all us aussies proud.

Bid Bird your labour and toil has really paid off! You guys are showing the rest of us how to do it.

Now cut you hair Geoffery! Mulletts arent cool.

BryanH

05-21-2006, 05:02 PM

BLOODY FANTASTIC!!
Reckon a few pple over there will need to be kept away from sharp objects....
Is 400 point enduro score a first?
I'd say it's a big poke in the eye for those who malign the trusty old HALTECH E6X.
$50 says Dino can't get to Cali without being arrested at least once http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

topgear

05-21-2006, 05:26 PM

Congrats to all teams! Does anyone know how many teams were registered and how many teams finished endurance???

Thanks

JerryLH3

05-21-2006, 05:37 PM

There were 140 teams registered, of which I think 120 showed up. Out of that, 43 teams finished endurance according to the pictures provided by Dan G. So, just over 1/3 of those there finished endurance.

A big congrats to RMIT, the rest of the top finishers, and to all the teams who made it to competition. I'd especially like to congratulate our friends to the north at the University of Florida. Great job finishing in 8th place. You and all the rest of us from Florida represented the state well.

I've surely learned a lot over the past year and after a short vacation I can't wait to get back to work.

Doggyollie

05-21-2006, 05:54 PM

Anyone know how University of Arizona did?

Thanks

2BWise

05-21-2006, 06:43 PM

Anyone got any vids or pics of the Cincinnati car on/after fire?

karter11

05-21-2006, 06:45 PM

Congrats to everyone from RMIT! You guys were a great help and a great time. I know I had a fantastic time at competition despite our problems with a blown ecu, fuel leak and a hard time passing noise, but none the less we at least got to start endurance. We made it to the driver change for the first time an a long time but unfortunately a loose exhaust coupling kept us from goin back out on track. I would like to thank everyone for all the great comments about our car and hopefully the team can come back strong next year. There were a lot of great looking cars this year which each showed drastically different approaches to the same problem which is why I love this competition. Congrats to everyone at competition and good luck in the future!

Bill Valet
Lehigh FSAE

Ben Inkster

05-21-2006, 06:51 PM

Well done RMIT and well deserved! next stop FSAE West?
its good to see a smile on your faces after the hard luck you've had in the last year!

I am absolutely gutted for the UWA boys and girls, bad luck guys.

I wouldn't bet against those odds on Deano, I bet he has already been arrested! or at least tackled some kind native wildlife!

-Ben

Kyle Kapa

05-21-2006, 07:09 PM

How about the Ferris State team?

First year team built a car with a $8,000 budget.

Made it through all the events except autocross when we got our tech sticker yanked for a loose rear hub.

Finished endurance with NO problems. Not the fastest but we did it.

kwancho

05-21-2006, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by nanron3000:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Congrats! RMIT and Penn State show that light weight really pays off.

I should point out that you should be saying that about Michigan-Ann Arbor, as well. I believe they were the second lightest 4 cylinder (behind PSU) at 426 pounds.

They also did it with an entirely 4130 space frame (!). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good call. I don't know much about them, but dang that's light!

AndrewC

05-21-2006, 08:01 PM

Congratulations to RMIT from the University of Adelaide. Great work and we will see you in December.

KevinD

05-21-2006, 09:14 PM

what did PSU's car weigh?

HA11S

05-21-2006, 09:25 PM

Congratulations RMIT!
I hear that winner of this competition is invited to JFSAE.
I'm looking forward to seeing you in September!

B Hise

05-21-2006, 10:17 PM

what did PSU's car weigh?

372 i think

Masato

05-22-2006, 12:02 AM

Congratulations, RMIT!
I was very surprised to hear that you win the race. However, I believed you win.
If you come in Japan in September, please contact our team.

Tokyo Denki University
Team leader
Masato Wakai

Homemade WRX

05-22-2006, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by Kyle Kapa:
How about the Ferris State team?

First year team built a car with a $8,000 budget.

Made it through all the events except autocross when we got our tech sticker yanked for a loose rear hub.

Finished endurance with NO problems. Not the fastest but we did it.
congrats on finishing as that is an achievement of its own...as for $8k, I wish our school would give us that much http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

congrats to RMIT

bummer to everyone who broke in endurance (us included because of a failed battery/car wouldn't start). Shocking watching the first few cars (always consistent top 20 teams) break.

Eddie Martin

05-22-2006, 01:01 AM

Congratulations to RMIT and all the teams that competed.

Well done to Grant and all the team that built such a good car. Big congrats to Geoff, Steve, Hester and all the other rmit alumni that helped get the team where they are today. Fantastic effort.

A big shame that UWA didn't finish the enduro. Nick and the rest of the team should be incredibly proud of the car they have produced and the things they have achieved.

Remember Fsae team members from Australia and the Oakland Uni Police Department don't mix, as UOW-R found out in 2004. Enough said. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I hope a lot of international teams come down to Oz this December to compete.

Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi.

PS. Have a look inside the trophy for some added extras, unless Cornell has already taken them out.

UOW Racing Alumni 01-04

Dan G

05-22-2006, 06:18 AM

They're not up yet, but I'm assuming we'll see the official results posted here soon:

http://students.sae.org/competitions/formulaseries/fsae/results/

muffrx4

05-22-2006, 06:20 AM

congrats RIMT and UWA on textbook vehicles that rewrite the rules.

enviously yours

muffed out

A Reinke

05-22-2006, 07:46 AM

Looked like a great showing of technology and creativity and the usual bad weather. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Congrats to RMIT on the win and everyone else who competed! Wish I could do it again myself!

~Adam

Big Bird

05-22-2006, 08:59 AM

Cheers everyone for the kind words. We are all still a bit bewildered by it all - well actually I am the only one awake to be bewildered, the rest of the mob are still sleeping off all those all-nighters. Will report on their condition when they wake up....

Anyway, I'll start with a disclaimer since I see my name mentioned a few times above. Full credit must go to Grant, Deano and all the 2005/6 crew for what was a fantastic effort. They were the ones who have put in all the hard work, and fielded all those difficult questions from the judges. My personal input has been minimal this year and full credit should go where it is due. Well done lads, the success is well deserved.

We were just as gutted as the WA lads when we saw their car being pushed away from endurance. As we had said numerous times before the comp, if we could have pulled off an Oz 1-2 we wouldn't have cared which way the results read. Commiserations to you all, and thanks to both yourselves and the UoW lads for being such great competitors and for setting the standard in our own comp.

The competition was a real buzz and it was great to see such a high level of competition. It certainly was a shame that some of the prior favorites didn't make it through endurance, but there were also a lot of teams ready to take up the slack. (Take a look at the log-jam of teams scoring in the high 600's and 700's). They were saying at the ceremony that there was something like a near 50% finishing rate this year, so the competition is getting tighter.

Thanks to all those who took the time to come up and have a chat over the weekend. It was a really friendly and welcoming comp, we are looking forward to returning. And huge, huge thanks to Carly and all the Oakland crew for being such fantastic hosts. The lads couldn't have done it without you. I hope we can return the favor some day.

Masato and OFRAC, I doubt we could find enough budget to come to Japan this September, but certainly we would love to do the Japanese competition one day. Thank you for your kind words - and we look forward to seeing all the TDU lads in September. Go Flying Wombats!

No interaction with the Oakland Police at this stage, apart from nicking some water from their water-cooler on occasion. No run-ins with skunks, raccoons, geese, hamsters or any other forms of local wildlife either. Yet. Will report if there are any updates on that front too....

Cheers all, plane to catch.

Big Bird

05-22-2006, 09:02 AM

Oh, and to those who were asking - RMIT stands for Ride-on Mower Innovation Technologies. Apparently. Please contact us for all your grass-cutting needs.....

Jersey Tom

05-22-2006, 09:03 AM

Great job, guys. Amazing seeing the caliber of design and driving on some of these teams.

Colorado's pretty happy, 22nd is highest we've ever been. Plan on being much more competitive next year. And with more life-size Hasselhoff / Chuck Norris / etc cut outs!

Was sad to see UWA not finish endurance. Very tight car, cool team, great drivers.

Wildcat_Alum

05-22-2006, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by Doggyollie:
Anyone know how University of Arizona did?

Thanks
University of Arizona.
I wasn't there, but this is what I was told.
20th in cost
Was on the edge of making design finals, 16?
2nd in Sales Presentation (Good job Cameron)
Passed Tech,
Blew the engine during the sound check (2 years in a row), rebuilt it over night, had it running in the morning, Needed a new fuel pump and couldn't find someone to lend an inline, (already on the backup and were losing pressure over 5k RPM).. Didn't do any of the dynamic events. The car was in the 430lb range when in left Tucson, So it was the lightest and (other than the engine), most reliable car UofA has made. Everyone is very excited for the FSAE WEST competition, and I'll see them there. I was told to put a thankyou out to Brian and the Guys at PE, they came through again and figured out whats wrong with the Suzuki Sensors, now the engine starts and runs first try,,, as long as we can feed it gas.

And they won the Honda 600RR in the raffle, so I think next year might be time to junk the Suzuki that has given us so many problems, but we'll see.

Jon, Jealous Alumni.

A Reinke

05-22-2006, 10:16 AM

Does anyone have video of their sales presentation? I'm always curious how other teams did it in comparision to ours.

Anyone want to share? http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~Adam

savagery

05-22-2006, 10:33 AM

Congrats to my boys at RMIT. Skinny, Deano, BJG, Jake, John, Baz, Lee, Brad, and Geoff... we were glad to host you guys and good luck at West!

Tough break for WA.... you cant win them all http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
The wost part is that we all got beat by a team that is 3 cylinders short of a "real engine." http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Best of luck to all, and keep in touch!

Zach
OU FSAE

jaimin

05-22-2006, 11:11 AM

Dan G, can we see larger pics of the overall scores, and/or can you tell me where TTU placed?

JR @ CFS

05-22-2006, 11:17 AM

I think Helsinki require a big pat on the back! Well done lads for flying the flag for the Euro teams! I will definitely be looking out for you lads at the FS comp.

Are you going to (or to be honest, heard anything about) the Baltic open? Know any details?

HenningO

05-22-2006, 11:40 AM

Great work Helsinki! 5th place is impressive!

Jonnie (same Jonnie that visited us last year?), Helsinki will host the Baltic Open this year. The beginning of september is the latest bid...

Dusan

05-22-2006, 12:15 PM

Can anyone tell me what happened to Waterloo or ETS?

Or MIT?

~D

RacingManiac

05-22-2006, 12:25 PM

Congrats to RMIT, I was there to witness their 04 Formula Student win and and now I am here to see their FSAE win. What a team, what a car, and without a doubt it was the best team to win this year's FSAE. And 400 pts in Enduro+fuel, just WOW!!! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2473246d.jpg

Us Toronto folks have had our best finish for anyone thats on the team right now. 11th bested my years previous best finish of 21st in 2004, and came close to the team's best of 8th in 2000. And I think this really made everyone's sacrifice in the last 12 month totally worthwhile. We did all we set out to do, to pass tech on first day, got all of our stickers before noon on the second day, and we were the first inline for the dynamic events. If only we can predict weather for Friday....lol

Kudos to everyone on the team and I hope you are all having a nice and well deserved rest.

I am just gonna post some pics I got on track when the enduro was running....

Helsinki:
http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2473246e.jpg
http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2473246f.jpg
http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2473259a.jpg

Florida:
http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2473246g.jpg
http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2473246h.jpg

MSU:
http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2473259b.jpg
http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2473259c.jpg
http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2473259d.jpg

And finally Toronto:

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2473246a.jpg
http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2473246c.jpg

The moment of relief....

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2473246b.jpg

RacingManiac

05-22-2006, 12:28 PM

btw if those schools that I posted wants those pic just give me a shout.....

Gary Godula

05-22-2006, 12:30 PM

And now, the Kart2Kart FSAE Challenge top ten:

29.30 Charles B.....University of Colorado Boulder
29.51 Erich L...........Cornell
29.64 Mike K .........Akron
29.65 Pedro R.........University of Puerto Rico
29.70 Jared W.......Florida Atlantic University\
29.72 Richard C.....University of Missouri
29.73 Bob M............University of Manitoba
29.81 Ben W............University of Missouri
29.85 Ryan F...........Virginia Tech
29.94 Greg E...........Michigan Tech

Thank you to all who made the evening trek to Kart2Kart for more track time. I hope it was enjoyed by all. We hope to expand the FSAE Challenge for next year.....gmg

Dan G

05-22-2006, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by RacingManiac
Wow, those are outstanding photos! I need some lessons.

I was also pretty suprised that RMIT took not only the fastest enduro time, but also the least fuel (by a decent margin). Seems to defy logic as fuel consumption should be relatively proportional to power output. With ~20hp to the wheels under full power (we were only there for about 60% of the endurance race), we should've used substantially less fuel than any other team. Although our mixture was dyno tuned a bit rich to keep the aircooled engine running cool enough.

Still, at 338lbs and a very sorted suspension, I guess winning both the time and fuel portions of endurance/economy shouldn't be that hard to believe. A shifter kart would whoop everyone in both categories, and I guess RMIT's car is just a blur between the standard FSAE car and one of those.

Gary, which night was the K2K challenge? I was just as beat as everyone else I'm sure, but I would've headed over there if I knew there'd be something organized going on. I'm in the low 29's most months at the industry night (29.25 in January), but obviously it'd be fun to compare to everyone on the same day with the same conditions.

mpm84

05-22-2006, 02:18 PM

Any word on who won Altair Engineering's William R. Adam Engineering Awards?

Korey Morris

05-22-2006, 03:09 PM

Here are the photos from one of our member's camera. Enjoy!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/12463218@N00/sets/72057594141579729/

Steve Fox

05-22-2006, 03:49 PM

Any word on who won Altair Engineering's William R. Adam Engineering Awards?

Lehigh, Texas A&M, & Toronto in that order.

Joe Desimone

05-22-2006, 04:01 PM

Here are lots of pictures. Enjoy.

http://buffalo.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2027341&l=3e934&id=15702529

http://buffalo.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2027342&l=94cdc&id=15702529

http://buffalo.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2027344&l=a601e&id=15702529

http://buffalo.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2027345&l=91a7a&id=15702529

Grant

05-22-2006, 04:36 PM

Hi Everyone,

RMIT Racing would like to thank everyone for their kind words of support as posted throughout these forums. Your support has shown the true spirit of this competition. We would also like to thank our University, Sponsors, Family and Friends for their incredibly generous support in our endeavors.

This success is the result of the relentless hard work and dedication over the last 18 months, by everyone involved in R05's development. The current team owes significant thanks to past team members for their commitment to professionalism, build quality and technical design.

A final thanks to the Oakland University team for their assistance, support and comedic relief. We couldn't have done it without your help.

We are looking forward to the upcoming California competition, which promises to be a great event. Please don't hesitate to visit our pits, we are always up for a chat.

An event recap will be posted on our team website in the next couple of days.

Thank you again,

RMIT Racing
WCNBD

www.fsae.rmit.edu.au (http://www.fsae.rmit.edu.au)
fsae@rmit.edu.au

StoopidSavant

05-22-2006, 08:55 PM

RacingManiac, you have some really great shots. Wish I could have met you out there. Still sorting through all of mine, but they're vastly inferior compared to last year with the astronomical distances we had from the track.

In the meantime, some pics of the cars I really would have liked to see run. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://xc9.xanga.com/7bfa00451243355713447/b37338074.jpg

http://x6f.xanga.com/dcca3756d073555726874/w37347452.jpg

http://xc5.xanga.com/f65a355bd043555726865/w37347444.jpg

and a little yellow
http://x85.xanga.com/6cba57524753755726879/w37347457.jpg

05-22-2006, 09:20 PM

CONGRATULATION!!
RMIT!!
I pleased to hear your success!

RacingManiac

05-22-2006, 09:20 PM

Did you try to ask for permission to go into dynamic area? I asked around and they say if you talk to the PR people you can get access to the dynamic area provided that they have a guy follow you around and show you where you can and cannot be. 4 of our guys with dynamic passes went to crew the race car during enduro and I got in to take pic only....

I did see an Asian guy with a long white lens(other than myself that is), I was wondering if that was you.

Jersey Tom

05-22-2006, 09:21 PM

Maniac - those pictures look SWEET. How were you taking em? From the dynamic area?

RacingManiac

05-22-2006, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by Jersey Tom:
Maniac - those pictures look SWEET. How were you taking em? From the dynamic area?

Thanks,

yeah I got them from the dynamic area, I asked the guy at the gate and they get you a orange vest and a guy to follow you around to show you where you can stand and whatnot. I saw more than a few teams have people who did this as well as some press folks.....wish I knew this in the past years......

Jersey Tom

05-22-2006, 09:54 PM

Sweet. So how far away from the course were you? And what kinda camera?

drivetrainUW-Platt

05-22-2006, 10:28 PM

wheres the final results for the teams over 40?

Universit of Wisconsin Platteville (UWP), car #26

Finished all static events. 80 something place I believe, did autocross and finished endurance, no word on overall yet

First time thru tech was Thursday morning, only a few small harness changes and egress to do, too bad our racings suits were still in the shop at home, fixed what we could and called it a day

Friday: got thru tech after our suits came in around 10am. it was raining and more tech to go, no rain tires and not done with tilt/brake/noise so no skidpad or accel. Got thru tilt after tighting up our overflow tube(was hand tightened apparently). Didn't pass sound (114 db) went back and welded in some baffling then passed that. Braking was easy, raising the engine idle after it died 4 times made it cake the 5th time.
I was the one running braking, and it was a few minutes before 5 so we ran over to autocross and the guys told me I was running first. I didnt have much time to think it over since we got pushed to the front for a 1st run. I didnt kill it but wasnt sure where the start was so hesitated when he flageged me foreward thinking the next cones were it..took my time and got thru, I wasnt sure what to do with the 5 cones in a row (no previous autocrossing and no drivers meeting for this guy) so I made a spilt seceond decision and followed the rubber on the track, I wasnt sure if I was to go left or right, since I thought someone said it was one or the other, but I found out it didnt matter. I did my second run faster, then we swapped drivers. 2nd guy hit cones and missed the 1st salom, that was the end of that day

Saturday: woke up at 5:30 not knowing what time we would run enduro, on site by 8 and found out we would be around 3, double checked everything and let our 2 drivers in the practice track for some time. We spent 30-45 minutes in the staging area for endurance then finally got in, the first driver got thru, slow but consitent, then driverchange and we were off for the second. he also finshed and as we started pushing him the steering colum came loose, apparently the paddle shifter stopped working and he was driving in 3rd the last 2 laps. The engine was running at 250+ degrees (radiator cap never opened????) and our old CBR F2 had no oil pressure in the corners. 1.4 galons in the fuel afterwards then off to the panaramic photo
what a weekend..guess luck was on our side thou.
thanks to all that helped us out, it was a blast, seeya all next year

Ashley Denmead

05-23-2006, 02:51 AM

Congratulations to RMIT from the guys at Deakin, stella job and you must all be wrapped! A deserving victory for a fantastic little car.

little light single cyl cars really can cut it eh geoff...whodathunkit http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ash

StoopidSavant

05-23-2006, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by RacingManiac:
Did you try to ask for permission to go into dynamic area? I asked around and they say if you talk to the PR people you can get access to the dynamic area provided that they have a guy follow you around and show you where you can and cannot be. 4 of our guys with dynamic passes went to crew the race car during enduro and I got in to take pic only....

I did see an Asian guy with a long white lens(other than myself that is), I was wondering if that was you.

Dangit, now I'm really mad I didn't know that. I spent a month's rent flying up there and getting hardware to shoot.

I remember seeing an Asian guy (shaved head?) with a white lens (might have been a 300mm prime?). I was a doofus who had a backpack and a 20D with a 70-200 and a 2x teleconverter.

Mikko Ahola

05-23-2006, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by jonnierice:
I think Helsinki require a big pat on the back! Well done lads for flying the flag for the Euro teams! I will definitely be looking out for you lads at the FS comp.

Are you going to (or to be honest, heard anything about) the Baltic open? Know any details?

Thanks! After all what has happened we just can`t be more pleased with the result. We`ll just do some fine tuning to FS and see what hapens then http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And what comes to Baltic Open I think it will be held at 2.-3. of September somewhere in Finland. We`ll give some info about that later.

And of course congratulations to RMIT! Good job!

Dan G

05-23-2006, 06:03 AM

Here are pages 2 and 3 of the results they had at the banquet...

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06/results_page2.jpg

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06/results_page3.jpg

All three pages are found here...

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/FSAE06?page=11

Wood

05-23-2006, 07:15 AM

Does anyone know of a list that shows all the awards given out at the banquette? I heard LTU was given some kind of spirit award, but none of us were there to get it. I'm curious at exactly what kind of award we recieved.

savagery

05-23-2006, 08:25 AM

Wood,
I know LTU and OU were both recognized for sportsmanship because we hosted/helped so many teams, but we didnt get a physical award. Thats all I heard... but then again, I want exactly paying attention to everything. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hey, do you guys still have our balacalava? We lent it to you during your chaotic shifter repair... and i dont think we got it back.

Tough break on enduro... we were all rooting for you. See you next year!!

Zach
OU FSAE

RacingManiac

05-23-2006, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by StoopidSavant:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RacingManiac:
Did you try to ask for permission to go into dynamic area? I asked around and they say if you talk to the PR people you can get access to the dynamic area provided that they have a guy follow you around and show you where you can and cannot be. 4 of our guys with dynamic passes went to crew the race car during enduro and I got in to take pic only....

I did see an Asian guy with a long white lens(other than myself that is), I was wondering if that was you.

Dangit, now I'm really mad I didn't know that. I spent a month's rent flying up there and getting hardware to shoot.

I remember seeing an Asian guy (shaved head?) with a white lens (might have been a 300mm prime?). I was a doofus who had a backpack and a 20D with a 70-200 and a 2x teleconverter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you eventually made it into dynamic area? I saw a Asian guy with the equipment you described in the area when I was in there....

Wood

05-23-2006, 08:40 AM

I called some people and they're not sure if they gave it back or not. Our lab is still a mess and after our 4 day marathon last week, nobody has felt like going through all our crap yet. I'll make sure to look for it tonight and figure out a way to get it back to you guys if we do in fact have it.

Again too, thanks a lot for your help during our shifter problems. You guys were awesome.

And endurance was a heartbreaker. After all we went through, we failed enduro because someone put too much oil in the engine and it overflowed. If it wasn't for the driver change, we would have finished.

Thanks again for your help Oakland U.

Jonathan R.

05-23-2006, 08:45 AM

For the awards, here is what I remember from the banquet (if there are mistakes, just correct me)

Robert Bosch Corporation Engine Management System Award

1 Helsinki
2 Wisconsin Madison
3 ETS

Society of Plastics Engineers' Composites Division Award

1 ETS
2 Lehigh University
3 RMIT

ArvinMeritor Suspension System Award

1 ETS
2 Iowa State University
3 Helsinki

Bruel and Kjaer Quiet Car cup

University of New Hampshire

Polaris Intake Systems Design Award

University of Wisconsin Madison

Goodyear Best Performance Award

1 RMIT
2 University of Florida
3 Iowa State University

Hoosier Tire Autocross Award

1 Texas A&M University
2 Cornell
3 Kansas

Road & Track Triathlon Award

Cornell

Superfast Matt McCoy

05-23-2006, 10:48 AM

Also,

Ricardo Powertrain Award

1-Wisconson
2-Oklahoma
3-Helsinki

V2 - Italy

05-23-2006, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by Mikko Ahola:
Thanks! After all what has happened we just can`t be more pleased with the result. We`ll just do some fine tuning to FS and see what hapens then http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And what comes to Baltic Open I think it will be held at 2.-3. of September somewhere in Finland. We`ll give some info about that later.

Aren't you interested in competing at Formula SAE Italy?
If you are looking for sun shining http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif it should be the right place. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I hope to see many of you in Italy!

Michael Jones

05-23-2006, 12:58 PM

In talking to Geoff (aka Big Bird) a few times last year, I figured RMIT would be the first to definitively prove singles could be competitive. Kudos on a well-deserved (and dominant!) victory. Only got a chance to see the car briefly (was only there for the last two days) but it looked great out there.

As for us, I suppose Carroll Smith was right. Three-peats are damn near impossible. Hell, I'm surprised at repeat championships given the level of competition out there.

Last time we failed out of enduro, we finished 13th. Granted, 2000 was even freakier than 2006 (all final design cars didn't finish...) but there's increasingly no room for error or random happenstance - not only are there an increasing number of teams with a good chance at winning every year, the quality of the middle pack's improved tons in the ... holy crap, is this my seventh competition? Geez.

Anyway, congrats to RMIT. One hint - always, always transport the trophy in the trophy case. It dents easily. Especially when transported tied to the wall of a Penske truck. Right, Davin?

Hoosier Daddy

05-23-2006, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Michael Jones:
... holy crap, is this my seventh competition? Geez.

I envy you!!

Chris Davin

05-23-2006, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Michael Jones:
In talking to Geoff (aka Big Bird) a few times last year, I figured RMIT would be the first to definitively prove singles could be competitive. Kudos on a well-deserved (and dominant!) victory. Only got a chance to see the car briefly (was only there for the last two days) but it looked great out there.

As for us, I suppose Carroll Smith was right. Three-peats are damn near impossible. Hell, I'm surprised at repeat championships given the level of competition out there.

Last time we failed out of enduro, we finished 13th. Granted, 2000 was even freakier than 2006 (all final design cars didn't finish...) but there's increasingly no room for error or random happenstance - not only are there an increasing number of teams with a good chance at winning every year, the quality of the middle pack's improved tons in the ... holy crap, is this my seventh competition? Geez.

Anyway, congrats to RMIT. One hint - always, always transport the trophy in the trophy case. It dents easily. Especially when transported tied to the wall of a Penske truck. Right, Davin?

First of all, my congratulations go to the team from RMIT for doing one hell of a job. When I saw you guys last year, I knew you'd be back with another strong car. Rest up and savor your victory - you deserve it.

Naturally, I would have liked to see my alma mater win, but they clearly had some trouble working out the last few gremlins from what was clearly a fast car. I know that many of the under-classmen on the team who are sticking around are already working on ways to win next year, so all the other teams reading this are hereby warned that you have your work cut out for you. :-)

It was a pleasure to finally go to competition and be able to enjoy it as a spectator. I particularly liked watching the many cars from smaller teams do very well. A glance down the first page of the results will show that the level of competition continues to grow noticeably every year. It can only mean good things for the future of Formula SAE.

As for the trophy, let's just say that we've had a rocky relationship over the years. There have been some mighty ups and downs but I learned many lessons along the way, not the least of which is how not to pack a Penske truck. But we seemed to be able to patch things up in time for the enduro last year. It looks like it'll be taking a year vacation to Australia, but hey, we should all be so lucky.

Kyle Kapa

05-23-2006, 04:38 PM

Who got the ROOKIE OF THE YEAR award????

JuicedH22

05-23-2006, 05:33 PM

First off, congrats to RMIT.

I must say this year was especially hard on us at Bearcat Motorsports. We feel we built a hell of a race car, and have been running hard since the end of March with little to no problems. We were doing very well dyanamically with an 8th place finish in Autocross and were haulin during the endurance and made it to the FINAL lap when the engine blew... A calculations was taken where we gave ourselves the same amount of endurance points as Michigan State (who we passed on the course) and would have put us in 6th place overall (isnt that a bummer).

Since BJ said I would give an update on the engine failure, here is what I have concluded thus far... The AFR was very good (low/mid 13s) the piston did not seize to the cylinder, no scoring on the walls, and there is no indication of oil starvation. Looking at the rod cap that broke off and came through the block and examination of the rod cap bolts leads me to believe at this stage that perhaps the engine builder over-torqued the bolts. Soon as I have the rest of the block apart and further detailed investigation I will fill you guys in and provide some nice destroyed engine pics....

Beatle

05-23-2006, 05:55 PM

Have you checked to see if the piston wrist pin c-clips are still there? If those pop out you can snap the con rod pretty easily, i speak from experience.
Sorry to see you guys drop out of endurance, hope to see you back next year.
And of course congrats RMIT, you guys deserve 1st.

VFR750R

05-23-2006, 06:29 PM

I'd venture a guess that if the rod bolts broke it was from cyclic fatigue from being not tight enough. I've seen it before when we knew that they were not tight enough.

JuicedH22

05-23-2006, 07:44 PM

Yea, I have seen similar failures due to under-torquing as well (not in F4i, but honda b-series) I will probably have a better guess when I find the rest of the bolt, and the other missing components. I know I definately need some one on one time w/ the guy on the team who built the engine, just to see if any clues pop up from him...

BTW, what was the cause of the smoke you guys (Cornell) were emitting? We all had speculation, and all concluded that is why they looked so hard at your car in driver change.

Homemade WRX

05-23-2006, 10:20 PM

I figured all might get a kick out of our results from competition...
well our motor ran like a 3 legged dog because is was down a cylinder and two of the other three were reading 90 and 120 lb for our compression check (compared to 150 for our other two)...
We dyno'd immediately after enduro and measured 29 whp and 18 lb-ft and still managed to run 69.x's in enduro and 52-53 sec in auto-x...
just figured I would share the funny facts with all...

RiNaZ

05-24-2006, 08:33 AM

did anybody record the design review? i would like to have a copy if someone has it. Thanks.

Dan G

05-24-2006, 09:33 AM

I didn't record it, sorry. I did see some people taking notes, but I don't know if anyone would share those.

There were two things mentioned that I think would be a great addition to the results. The first was to list the car's weight right along with all of the scores. Like team name/number, weight, then all the scores. The other was to ask L&S if they'd publish every team's dyno chart that tested.

I'm not sure if either of these pieces of info are supposed to be "secret" but they are both plainly and publicly visible if you have your eyes in the right places at the right times. It would be nice to have both of these things for benchmarking and comparisons later.

Anyone agree?

Also, I had some spare time so I whipped this up in photoshop. Anyone have the power to change that rotating banner?

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06/formulaSAE.jpg

Chris Davin

05-24-2006, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by JuicedH22:
BTW, what was the cause of the smoke you guys (Cornell) were emitting? We all had speculation, and all concluded that is why they looked so hard at your car in driver change.

It had to do with the engine overheating. I'm pretty sure the water level in the cooling system was low. The oil leak was caused by the valve cover gasket becoming un-seated. I'm not certain about the cause of the low coolant, or of the connection to the oil leak. The team didn't spend very much time trying to perform a thorough diagnosis because they wanted to swap engines for the Road and Track competition.

drivetrainUW-Platt

05-24-2006, 12:10 PM

58th place for us...holy crap, thats almost half what we got last time!
why did Ferris get negative points?

Dr Claw

05-24-2006, 12:54 PM

LTU finished nealy exactly in the middle - not bad for crashing your car the day OF competition http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif..

As for Ferris, late cost reports are killer.. Here's to the most improved for 2007! they'll learn alot from this one http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kyle Kapa

05-24-2006, 03:54 PM

Ferris got negative points for no cost report. As a first year team we were way more worried about having a working car than putting together a cost report.

It's kind of shitty, because teams that didnt even know up earn more points by dropping out!!

First time the car drove, other than a 50 yd. failed test at home (3am monday), was at the brake test.

And yes, we learned SO MUCH for next year. Thanks for all the teams who gave us advice.

Homemade WRX

05-24-2006, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by Homemade WRX:
I figured all might get a kick out of our results from competition...
well our motor ran like a 3 legged dog because is was down a cylinder and two of the other three were reading 90 and 120 lb for our compression check (compared to 150 for our other two)...
We dyno'd immediately after enduro and measured 29 whp and 18 lb-ft and still managed to run 69.x's in enduro and 52-53 sec in auto-x...
just figured I would share the funny facts with all...
here's the video to go along with this post :lol:
http://www.odumotorsports.com/tims/2006%20ODU%20FSAE%20-%20Endurance.wmv

Big Poppa

05-24-2006, 05:33 PM

Congrats to RMIT and all of the other teams that did well..Our clutch blew in endurance and ruined any hope we had of a top finish. Also thanks to the teams that came to SVSU for the grand prix, it is always a good time...

SVSV

Mike Cook

05-24-2006, 07:11 PM

congrats to Kansas for being bad ass. You guys we're always good to us Marylanders. Nice to see you all climb to the top.

Kyle Walther

05-24-2006, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Mike Cook:
congrats to Kansas for being bad ass. You guys we're always good to us Marylanders. Nice to see you all climb to the top.

i second that, except replace Marylanders with okies

Smeagle

05-25-2006, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Dan G:
They're not up yet, but I'm assuming we'll see the official results posted here soon:

http://students.sae.org/competitions/formulaseries/fsae/results/
Results are up.

Blake

05-25-2006, 12:18 PM

awesome, still doesnt have awards, waiting to see who won rookie of the year

Dr Claw

05-25-2006, 02:21 PM

There's somethign fishy with those results.....

Does anyone else notice inconsistancies between the presentation score in the overall tab, and the actualy presentation result tab? am i seeing things??

olsen5

05-25-2006, 02:37 PM

i think they loaded the cost scores into the presentation tab, but the scores on the presentation overall column i think are right

Chris Davin

05-25-2006, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by Dr Claw:
There's somethign fishy with those results.....

Does anyone else notice inconsistancies between the presentation score in the overall tab, and the actualy presentation result tab? am i seeing things??

Yep. It looks like the "Presentation Results" sheet is just a copy of the Cost Results sheet.

jjusb

05-25-2006, 03:18 PM

Not only the presentation results...... the endurance results were also changed, and this changed the overall results as well (Look at Akron for example).

Does anyone knows which results are correct?

jack

05-25-2006, 03:33 PM

Several people have mentioned tech was especially "thorough". Can anyone be specific on what they were looking for? Safety wire? Harness angles? Thanks, just trying to get the ducks in a row for Fontana.

Superfast Matt McCoy

05-25-2006, 04:36 PM

The tech judges actually made up a couple rules for us. one required us welding a gusset on the frame. Obviously, I couldn't tell you what they're gonna tell you to fix, just bring a welder and some patience. and maybe a second pair of welding gloves, it's not fun holding a gusset with your bare hands while someone else is welding it to the frame.

that would have gone much smoother if they had ADDED THAT TO THE RULES IN THE FIRST PLACE.

sorry...caps lock key got stuck.

chukd07

05-25-2006, 06:54 PM

I'm just wondering if there is a Rookie of the Year award and I anyone knew who received it.

Greg H

05-25-2006, 07:03 PM

Akron and Brown got the 4 minute penalty for using too much fuel, but just barely. They should have figured that out before the awards ceremony though. However, it has been in the rules for years.

B Hise

05-26-2006, 04:27 AM

one required us welding a gusset on the frame

same thing happened to us and a few other schools to my knowledge. I imagine it will be in the 2007 rules. I think they put the "2 thread rule" in for 2006 after harping on it in tech at the 2005 detriot event.

Bryan
UMD 04-06

V2 - Italy

05-26-2006, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by SoonerMatt:
The tech judges actually made up a couple rules for us. one required us welding a gusset on the frame.

Please, could you clarify what happened?
Which was the judges request and what you had to do to pass the scrutineering?

Thank you

jsmooz

05-26-2006, 05:59 AM

We had to put on a gusset too. What they want is the bar that your shoulder belts mount to, to not be able to bend. Make sure there is a support to prevent bending on this tube and you should be golden. I believe others were also having trouble with the support between the front hoop and bulkhead. Make sure to read through the rules to double check your compliance with them.

V2 - Italy

05-26-2006, 06:42 AM

Originally posted by jsmooz:
We had to put on a gusset too.

Thank you, it is clear.

Have a pic of this welding?

CMURacing - Prometheus

05-26-2006, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by B Hise:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">one required us welding a gusset on the frame

same thing happened to us and a few other schools to my knowledge. I imagine it will be in the 2007 rules. I think they put the "2 thread rule" in for 2006 after harping on it in tech at the 2005 detriot event.

Bryan
UMD 04-06 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the two threads have been in there at least as long as I've been going to competition, because in 04 i remember swapping out bolts while in line for tech.

Mike Cook

05-26-2006, 09:16 AM

To clarify on the seatbelt bar:

For our shoulder belts, a bar is welded between the roll hoop. HOwever this bar has small bends at both side which make it a few inches behind the plain of the roll hoop. The judges we're worried that the moment caused by this offset would twist the seatbelt bar and break the welds. Therefore they said we needed to guesset the bar. When asked, can we just do some calculations to show that the bar would bend before the moment would break the welds, and their reply was no. In response, I said, I might as well be at baja competition if we're going to use redneck engineering..

RiNaZ

05-26-2006, 10:41 AM

der belts, a bar is welded between the roll hoop. HOwever this bar has small bends at both side which make it a few inches behind the plain of the roll hoop. The judges we're worried that the moment caused by this offset would twist the seatbelt bar and break the welds. Therefore they said we needed to guesset the bar. When asked, can we just do some calculations to show that the bar would bend before the moment would break the welds, and their reply was no. In response, I said, I might as well be at baja competition if we're going to use redneck engineering..

might i remind you that those people who were doing the tech judging are the same people at the baja competition, maybe not all, but many of them.

And ive never heard of baja ppl using any redneck engineering especially when the vehicle is built to last rather than to finish like formula http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Mike Cook

05-26-2006, 02:34 PM

My point still stands:

In 05' our seat belt bar was exactly the same. Did the tech judges say anything? No. This year, the tech judges were harping on everyone about their seat belt bars. Was there a rule modification between the years, no. Clearly one of the head tech judges had to point out to all the other judges that seat belt bars like ours would not be acceptable. So, A) where are the calculations to show that I need to weld in an extra gusset (since, this is an engineering competition), and B) why couldn't all the teams be notified about this concern before competition so we don't have to half-assedly weld in gussets?

I'm sorry if I sound slightly irritated, but I am. Some of the rules are going overboard. For instance, the push bar. Before 05' some kid probably got ran over by the car while pushing it around so they mandate a push bar. Then we all have push bars and some ones car rolls down a hill away from the push bar. Therefore we need a push pull bar. And then this year, I can't count how many times our push-pull bar was tripped over. It's really only a matter of time before someone pokes their eye out with their push pull bar. Next thing you know, we will be required to have a bubble wrapped, minimum .5 inch radii, air bag equipped, with safety wire push pull bar. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Also, while on the topic, why don't we out law rod ends in bending? I can't recall every accident and their details in the last few years, but many of them involved wheels flying off (i.e. last years acceleration event where both front wheels came off and hit a women comes to mind). Rod ends in bending have caused probably more accidents than any other single thing, but we have yet to prohibit it. Thankfully most teams use spherical bearings outboard these days. Regardless, the rules committee mandates things like crush zones (when we race in a parking lot that has nothing to hit, and should we find something to hit it most likely won't be head on), push/pull bars, seat belt bars twisting off, etc. but won't stop teams from using rod ends in bending, when it has clearly shown itself to be a preventative problem.

I don't want to come across as if I'm anti safety or anything like that. I think these cars should be as safe as reasonably possible; and they are.

Furthermore, minus a few teams, I have seen some serious monkey business go on in the baja league. Therefore (especially after dealing with our baha team) they will be the butt of all my jokes. Enough of crapping up this thread, if we want to talk about rules and safety lets start a new thread.

RiNaZ

05-26-2006, 03:54 PM

Looking forward to what Mr. Royce has to say about this. btw, i agree with monkey business goin on in baja, but so does in formula, but like you said, that's a whole new thread for that.

B Hise

05-27-2006, 11:05 AM

Get a job Mike http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mike Cook

05-27-2006, 03:45 PM

Nascar be-atch

StoopidSavant

05-28-2006, 04:02 AM

Well, this year's pictures totally sux0red. Ironic how last year was my first competition and the pictures were a million times better. Anyway, here are the only ones worth looking at:

http://stoopidsavant.com/v-web/gallery/albums/endurance/IMG_1327.jpg

http://stoopidsavant.com/v-web/gallery/albums/autox/IMG_0655.jpg

http://stoopidsavant.com/v-web/gallery/albums/autox/IMG_0505.jpg

http://stoopidsavant.com/v-web/gallery/albums/endurance/IMG_1299.jpg

Check out my Motorsports Photography (http://fsae.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/648600998/m/69610448331/r/16510158331#16510158331) thread for what I call "cone bloopers." http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Gallery (http://stoopidsavant.com/v-web/gallery/2006fsae)

VFR750R

05-28-2006, 02:48 PM

Mike, I'm sorry you feel so strongly about a gusset welded to your car. Are you mad because you did the calculations and the gusset didn't do anything or because the extra 200grams of weight slowed your car down? Obviously it doesn't matter and there is no need to get upset about it. The point is you want to race and the inspectors told you what to do to race.

I understand how you feel about rules seemingly changing everyday...at least the interpretation of the rules, but the time for engineering is before you get to competition. Once you're at competiton, you 'make it happen' so you can race. We've definitly been redneck before at comp, and we'll do it again if that's what we have to do.

Dan G

05-28-2006, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by StoopidSavant:
Gallery (http://stoopidsavant.com/v-web/gallery/2006fsae)

This shot is awesome, thanks man...

http://stoopidsavant.com/v-web/gallery/albums/autox/IMG_0717.jpg

Of course, it would've been better if I just kept the car strait, but that would've have made such a good action shot.

Mike Cook

05-28-2006, 10:13 PM

VFR,

Of course we're going to do whatever it takes to race, but the added stress of having to do some fab work and weld on the car when already at a stressful event is tough. Thats all.

Plus side to Detroit: Parking lots we're baby ass smooth. Next year i'm bringing a shifter kart inspired fsae car. No need for suspension there.

Dr Claw

05-30-2006, 07:24 AM

of course thats if we are back at Romeo for 2007. They wanted to use Pine Knob's/DTE Energy Theatre's parking lot this year but couldnt make a deal i guess. maybe for 2007?

I'd still design for a bumpy parking lot...you never know when your gonna be in one.

BStoney

05-30-2006, 07:50 AM

I would be interested to check out a shifter cart-style car with the minimum dimensions we have to run (track, wheelbase), an ability to meet the rules, and it's associated performance compared to a car with a traditional spring/damper setup.

Especially since the rules basically prohibit this:
"3.2.3 Suspension
The car must be equipped with a fully operational suspension system with shock
absorbers, front and rear, with usable wheel travel of at least 50.8 mm (2 inches),
25.4 mm (1 inch) jounce and 25.4 mm (1 inch) rebound, with driver seated. The
judges reserve the right to disqualify cars which do not represent a serious attempt
at an operational suspension system or which demonstrate handling inappropriate
for an autocross circuit.

All suspension mounting points must be visible at Technical Inspection, either by
direct view or by removing any covers."

Kimmo Hirvonen

05-30-2006, 12:58 PM

It took a while to update Helsinki Polytechnic homepage since our return trip took some time. But here it is:

www.formula.stadia.fi (http://www.formula.stadia.fi)

There you can find three different folders, Helsinki pics, other's pics and Helsinki's trip pics.

http://www.formula.stadia.fi/kuvat/FSAE06-forum.JPG

Site is under slight construction, so everything might not work as they should.

Smeagle

05-30-2006, 02:21 PM

Theres some damn good fotos in that lot. Good work.
Look forward to seeing your car at FSG.

Frank "Ruska" Roeske

05-31-2006, 02:02 AM

Smeagle,

check your PM!

Frank

Originally posted by Smeagle:
Theres some damn good fotos in that lot. Good work.
Look forward to seeing your car at FSG.

simonsuarez

06-07-2006, 06:48 PM

Hey everyone,

first of all congratulations to RMIT great car guys. This was the first year for our team (car 140)and we would really like to thank the Wisconsin team car # 3 who helped us with the welder the night before the competition started, thanks a lot!!! Now for next year we hope to go with a bigger fuel tank :@(ran out of fuel on last lap of enduro) see you guys and all the venezuelan teams also (the girls were the main attraction let's face it). Go Venezuela!

mikep

06-08-2006, 07:21 PM

Here is my interpretation of the need for gussets:
If a bar is straight and is pulled by the belts, it immediately is trying to curve, therefore is in tension. This tension resists the curvature.
If the bar is already in a curved shape, it has to pull the ends straight prior to reaching a point of tension, which may be undesireable from a pure safety standpoint.
But I wasn't there, so who knows what they were thinking. Either way, you either comply, or get out of their sandbox.
Good luck next year. I am waiting for a former student to compete out West, so I can definitely understand any stress you feel.

Haymo N.

06-09-2006, 05:21 AM

@ Kimmo and all the other Helsinki guys
Congratulations to the genial performance at Detroit. Maybe next year also our team can represented the European teams as good as you did it this year.
cu at Bruntingthorpe

RagingGrandpa

06-12-2006, 08:46 AM

wow...

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lovelljc/HostedPics/IMGP4448_resize.jpg

(no photoshop effects, heat was distorting the image)

BStoney

06-12-2006, 09:51 AM

...You should see the pics of Bill (driver) doing the moonwalk getting away from the car once he got out!!

This is obviously an oil fire, and we have deemed that the burn time of the fire was significantly INCREASED by the use of header wrap and the oil that it soaked up after the hole was torn in the engine case by the broken rod pieces. Basically, yet another reason to not use header wrap and go the ceramic coating route!

RacingGrandpa, can you send me your High-res version of that picture (if you took it yourself anyways)? Thanks man!

mangel83

06-19-2006, 02:35 PM

Does anyone by any chance have the panoramic photo in digital format? (jpg, bmp, or so)

If so please send it to masp1810.at.yahoo.com

thanks! (@ instead of .at.)

Edit: RacingManiac, StoopidSavant, Dan G (and anyone else with lots of 2006 FSAE pics) you guys should really consider to make a zip file of your pics and have it hosted somewhere for everyone to download!

Dan B

06-19-2006, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by BStoney:
This is obviously an oil fire, and we have deemed that the burn time of the fire was significantly INCREASED by the use of header wrap and the oil that it soaked up after the hole was torn in the engine case by the broken rod pieces. Basically, yet another reason to not use header wrap and go the ceramic coating route!
In my experience a large part of the problem is that no one uses the spray on coating on the header wrap after they wrap it. The coating keeps it from soaking up the oil.

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter...954+115&autoview=sku (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=DEI%2D010110&N=4294923290+303954+115&autoview=sku)