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magicweed
11-03-2005, 03:01 PM
Starting this thread a bit early, but I've got a question for everyone.

http://perljam.net/google-satellite-maps/id/2484/United...Ford_Proving_Grounds (http://perljam.net/google-satellite-maps/id/2484/United_States/Michigan/Dearborn/Ford_Proving_Grounds)

Where the hell are we gonna be??

The parking lots don't seem to be to the scope of the silverdome. I know it would be kick ass to run the endurance on the test track http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, but in reality, there doesnt seem to be the kind of space I was assuming. Any other thoughts?

Neil S
11-03-2005, 07:20 PM
I would start by looking in Romeo, MI rather than Dearborn. Much larger facility, not hard to find on an ariel view of Romeo.

mtg
11-03-2005, 08:00 PM
There's a huge black lake at the Romeo proving grounds- I'm pretty sure that's where it will be. The Romeo proving grounds is also much bigger than the Dearborn site.

Dan G
11-03-2005, 10:15 PM
I present Romeo Proving Grounds...

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=42.843877,-83.067455&spn...1,0.085127&t=h&hl=en (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=42.843877,-83.067455&spn=0.044241,0.085127&t=h&hl=en)

IsheeM
11-03-2005, 10:31 PM
Anyone found any hotels who will give us a discount? They havent listed any on the SAE website yet.

magicweed
11-04-2005, 07:31 AM
My bad, but still, where are the pits gonna be?

Unless that blacktop lake is HUGE! From the satelitte photos it looks like its about 2000 feet long, and 500-600 ft wide at the widest point, which is a bit smaller than the Superdome parking lot, where we had excess space.

Dan G
11-04-2005, 11:31 AM
Yeah, it looks like the black lake should be plenty big enough, although there's probably some ride roads over part of what we can see from the sat picture.

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/UMDR/MPGvsSilverdome.gif

drivetrainUW-Platt
11-05-2005, 04:39 PM
ha, spy pictures, gota love terraserver and the government

magicweed
11-14-2005, 06:33 PM
Yep, terraservers pic of the black lake is higher res, and answered all my questions. Plenty of room for this years comp, and it looks like it'll be pretty fast too, given a layout similar to last years endurance.

Dan G
11-15-2005, 12:31 AM
Wow, you're right. Terraserver has a much better view...

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/UMDR/RomeoProvingGrounds.sized.jpg (http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/UMDR/RomeoProvingGrounds.jpg)

Greg H
11-15-2005, 03:17 PM
Go read up on the collegiate design newsletter for the last month. They detail the setup of the competition (we get to take shuttles) and there is a link that shows how the paddocks will be set up.

Dan G
11-15-2005, 05:34 PM
Thanks for the heads up. For those lazier than me, I'll copy/paste the info here...


Formula SAE in Michigan

Event Site IMPORTANT Notices:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>Remember we have been invited to hold the competition at
the Ford Michigan Proving Grounds. This opportunity gives
your team a chance to compete on 40 acres of perfect
asphalt...however we are guests and there are certain
stipulations we need to ask your teams to appreciate and
follow. NOTE: This information on site use is preliminary and
subject to change prior to the competition.[/list]
1. Team Paddocks
<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>They will be spread out this year. Teams may be paddocked
on Grass, Gravel or Pavement. Be prepared for any of them!
<LI>You will be given a space no larger than 17' x 34.5'. NO
EXCEPTIONS will be made, unfortunately this year we have
limited space and will not be able to accept tractor trailers. If
you have any concerns, please email katklauz@aol.com.[/list]
2. Site Access
<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>Teams will be allowed to enter the site starting at 8:30 a.m.
Wednesday, May 17, 2006. Each team will be guided to the
event site and their paddock by event volunteers.
<LI>Site will open daily at 6:30 am for the teams. Buses will run
continuously to shuttle teams from the main gate to the event
site and back.
<LI>The site will officially close at 8:30pm and all teams must be
offsite by 9pm. If you must take your car offsite, you will have
to line up starting at 7pm and ready to leave by 8pm following
an escort out of the event site.
<LI>All team members, faculty advisors, etc must register at main
gate before entering into event site
<LI>Parking within the competition site itself is very limited. Only
the team transportation vehicle will be allowed into the
paddock area, all others will have to park at main gate and
be shuttled in.[/list]
3. Onsite Rules
<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>All team members must stay within the competition site. All
parts of the Ford Michigan Proving Grounds other than the
competition site are restricted areas. Participants must remain
with in the competition site at all times. Trespassing outside the
competition site will result in the expulsion of the entire team.
<LI>Ford generally does not permit cameras within the Michigan
Proving Grounds, however for this event; they are working on a
resolution to allow camera use only at competition site.
<LI>Teams will be asked to monitor their trash and be sure to clean up every night; there will be
dumpsters placed onsite.[/list]
4. Food
<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>We are currently reviewing options for on-site meals for teams. In the meantime, please be aware
that it is a 1-1.5 hour trip off site to get food. Please plan accordingly. We strongly recommend
bringing your provisions with you each day. Hot plate cooking will be permitted in the paddock
area, and we will arrange a designated area for BBQs. Propane is allowed; charcoal is not.[/list]
5. Hotels
<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>SAE is currently working on hotel contracts for teams and we hope to have them posted by end
of November/beginning of December.
<LI>The nearest hotels are approximately 20 minutes from event site. Teams should be aware that
walking to the event site from their hotels is not an option.[/list]

Adam Zemke
11-15-2005, 06:25 PM
I was looking up hotels around Romeo and it seems like all of the hotels that are nearest are the ones that a lot teams have been staying in in previous years (ie. by the Silverdome). Guess that makes Big Buck still a realistic possibility again this year http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jjusb
11-16-2005, 04:54 AM
The site will officially close at 8:30pm and all teams must be
offsite by 9pm. If you must take your car offsite, you will have
to line up starting at 7pm and ready to leave by 8pm following
an escort out of the event site

Teams won't be able to work on their cars overnight!!!! ????

How about walking the endurance track friday night like last year's competition?

RacingManiac
11-16-2005, 10:20 AM
how about design semi-final, which usually runs to like 10-11pm or later....

drivetrainUW-Platt
11-16-2005, 12:44 PM
wow, lot more strict then the Silverdome....what happens when(not if) it rains and we are all out in the grass with our trailers and cars, sounds like a huge mess. Should be nice to race on a real track thou.

RacingManiac
11-16-2005, 01:07 PM
man if they ban camera I'll be pissed....my dslr will be useless.....lol

mtg
11-17-2005, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by drivetrainUW-Platt:
wow, lot more strict then the Silverdome....what happens when(not if) it rains and we are all out in the grass with our trailers and cars, sounds like a huge mess. Should be nice to race on a real track thou.

Romeostock.

Bryan Hagenauer
11-17-2005, 10:37 PM
Taking your car offsite to work overnight means no electrical power... I'm sure the hotels are going to LOVE having 50 teams running power tools and floodlights and generators all night in the parking lots.

magicweed
11-18-2005, 02:11 PM
Well, at least people will have a bar close by so they can celebrate when they fix something. I can imagine Big Buck will still be getting a good amount of business.

mario_rbr
11-18-2005, 06:07 PM
Reply
Hello, maybe the organizers are planning to put some kind of plastic carpet in the grass, because I've heard rain is a competition partner at least one of the competition days . I have a questions for those who has been in a fsae competition before: the paddock asignation is in arrival order? I mean who comes first.
Talking about taking your fsae outside the Competition place , does judges aprove it? I think many significant chages can be done outside the competition place, and my team has been loking for hotels nearby and found in Auburn Hills and it is like an hour from FPG, isn't it too risky to take your fsae out ? specially if you need to do repairs or last minute changes the three days of competition.
Mario Briceño
http://www.fsae-luz.org

magicweed
11-19-2005, 06:22 AM
Any significant changes to the car, other than adjustments stated in the rules need to be accompanied by passing the tech inspection again. I believe that this would be true for any team taking their car offsite. Usually by the middle of the second day, 70% of teams have been through or passed tech, so getting reevaluated shouldnt be that tough.

As for the paddock area. Rain does seem to creep into competition at least one day, so be prepared for the worst. Ezup tents, car covers, tire covers, tarps, ponchos. If you think it may help, bring it.

Paddock assignments is by school. They designated us a spot last year, which happened to be on the end of a row, across from Texas A&M. This only served as motivation to get this years car done as early as possible.

RiNaZ
11-20-2005, 07:42 AM
im sure going to miss pontiac. There are so many places to get food around, and the hotels are close by.

The proving ground to me, sounds like one of the baja competition. Muddy, no food and just away from everything. Bummer ...

magicweed
11-20-2005, 12:44 PM
I'm just wondering if it would be possible to organize some sort of food sponsorship for the competition. Someone like McDonalds/Wendys/etc could ship in the food onsight for a 2 hour window during competition, 3 times a day. Breakfast, lunch, dinner. Or possibly setup some sort of onsite cooking facility. Whoever the business is, I'm sure they would make a boatload given student/judge/spectator need for food. Just like the Red Bull truck, even though thats to make us buy it after comp. Get them addicted for free, and they'll pay you back later.

Mike Cook
11-20-2005, 10:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Formula SAE in Michigan

Event Site IMPORTANT Notices:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI> This opportunity gives
your team a chance to compete on 40 acres of perfect
asphalt...however we are guests and there are certain
stipulations we need to ask your teams to appreciate and
follow. [/list]
1. Team Paddocks
<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>They will be spread out this year. Teams may be paddocked
on Grass, Gravel or Pavement. Be prepared for any of them!
<LI>You will be given a space no larger than 17' x 34.5'. NO
EXCEPTIONS will be made, unfortunately this year we have
limited space and will not be able to accept tractor trailers. [/list] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Things that make you go huh.

Tech Guy
11-21-2005, 03:27 PM
If you look at the Competition Overview presentation given at the Detroit Section SAE's Formula SAE Workshop last month, which can be found through the offical SAE website at
http://www.sae-detroit.org/sae/menu.wml?page=Student#BookMarkTwo
you will find some maps of not only the Ford Michigan (read Romeo) Proving Grounds, but satellite photos showing the planned paddock area. It appears that the paddock will NOT be on the "40 acres of asphalt" of the Vehicle Dynamics Facility (the Black Lake in GM terms). As this is Ford's prime handling facility, it is understandable that they don't want their pristine surface damaged by using it as a parking lot. Hence, it appears that it will only be used for the dynamic events.

Charlie
11-21-2005, 07:58 PM
C'mon now you guys have more to worry about than pitting in the grass don't you? http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Be prepared and it won't even be an issue.

You can't expect Ford to offer up thier proving ground surface for people to put up tents, spill 100 octane on, and sink thier metal stands into, now do ya? http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Schumi_Jr
11-22-2005, 06:48 AM
http://www.crocotile.com

These puppies will make your muddy paddock that much easier to work in.

RacingManiac
11-22-2005, 12:45 PM
Not when they are on wet mud....not even with plastic tarp underneath it....

magicweed
11-22-2005, 06:44 PM
Im thinking tarp and plywood. Hopefully we'll be lucky enough to get a pavement spot, but I'm not betting on it.

Mad Ruska
11-24-2005, 04:26 AM
Come to Formula Student Germany in 2006, you don´t need any tents, any plywood etc.

The big long yellow building on top is the pitarea. (the same formula 1 teams use). The blue thing is the camping ground and the big green area is the dynamic area, the smaller one the practice area!

Frank

http://www.formulastudent.de/typo3temp/pics/b879ddc2f0.jpg

madracer
11-26-2005, 09:21 AM
What crap. How long is it going to take for 120 teams with 10-20 members to be shuttled from the gate to the trailers????

I'm sure this fan friendly approach will be better. Where will they park? Like its not hard enough to get people to come and watch in the freezing cold Pontiac spring? Now they will be escorted to the competition and will be waiting in lines for hours to get a chance to grab some food????

Don't worry, working in mud and gravel is the worst. Might as well go to the Baja competition.

I wish someone put a little bit of thought into the location change, it sounds like it would be easier to have competition in Pelican Bay State Prison. (Less escorts).

So how long do we wait to hear that cameras are not allowed, because someone might leak one of Fords "new" designs?

What crap.

And parking spots? I wonder if the genius who set up the online registration is in charge of assigning parking spots. Cornell and UTA on the pavement and everyone else in the mud.

I guess only time will tell and we should wait and see what happens....

magicweed
11-27-2005, 05:00 PM
I wouldn't start complaining yet. I had a lot of fun at last years competition, and seeing as the actual competition are will be about 100 times better, I'm looking forward to it. I think that with everything we go through to build these cars, and all the things we are going to go through in the coming months, we can deal. I mean, a lot of us deal with lacking fab and testing facilities and those of us resourcful enough to make a car out of a bridgeport and a 40 year old tig can come up with something for a gravel parking lot. I mean, bring a cooler full of sandwhiches, have your girlfriend sew up some tire covers and have some fun.
I know I won't be complaining about the pit placement at the end of comp. It'll probably be more like "God Damn f$#%&*^ fuel pump" over my beer at the Big Buck. Or the Riverport Tavern in Sarnia. I know thats a place to forget whats ailing you. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Charlie
11-27-2005, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by madracer:
What crap. How long is it going to take for 120 teams with 10-20 members to be shuttled from the gate to the trailers????

I'm sure this fan friendly approach will be better. Where will they park? Like its not hard enough to get people to come and watch in the freezing cold Pontiac spring? Now they will be escorted to the competition and will be waiting in lines for hours to get a chance to grab some food????

Don't worry, working in mud and gravel is the worst. Might as well go to the Baja competition.

I wish someone put a little bit of thought into the location change, it sounds like it would be easier to have competition in Pelican Bay State Prison. (Less escorts).

So how long do we wait to hear that cameras are not allowed, because someone might leak one of Fords "new" designs?

What crap.

And parking spots? I wonder if the genius who set up the online registration is in charge of assigning parking spots. Cornell and UTA on the pavement and everyone else in the mud.

I guess only time will tell and we should wait and see what happens....

You should be ashamed of this post. You think SAE put no thought into this? I guarantee you they did. I don't see you coming up with any solutions, only complaints. I'm sure if you could find a lot for 140 teams that could be used for free in the area SAE would be very interested!

I wish there was a way to keep people with your attitude out of the competition... With limited registration I'm sure there would be plenty of teams that would be ecstatic to have a chance to compete and a little mud wouldn't stop them.

SAE doesn't profit from this and doesn't really have any requirement to keep it going. Constructive criticism is great and I'm sure this event won't be perfect; its the first time at a new venue in over a decade. But if you are that down on having to be 'in-convienced' by a little grass or dirt, and have no solution yourself, then please, DONT SHOW UP!

Dan G
11-27-2005, 07:45 PM
Taking a cue from the venues for FSAE West and Formula Student Germany, I think investigating the use of Michigan International Speedway for FSAE 'East' in 2007 would be a good idea...

http://www.mispeedway.com/uploads/assets/fans/mis_wallpaper_track_640x480.jpg (http://www.mispeedway.com/)

No, it won't be free, but if they can scam a deal/partnership with Cali Speedway, they shouldn't have much of a problem doing the same with MIS.

These professional tracks seem like the ideal places to handle an event like FSAE. We're nothing for a place like that to handle.

madracer
11-28-2005, 09:55 PM
Hey....Charlies still alive...I was worried about you buddy... it has been almost 2 min. since you posted

Schumi_Jr
11-29-2005, 08:17 PM
dude, why don't you come back when you have something useful to post?

StoopidSavant
11-29-2005, 10:23 PM
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>Ford generally does not permit cameras within the Michigan
Proving Grounds, however for this event; they are working on a
resolution to allow camera use only at competition site.[/list]


I sincerely hope that they can work something out with Ford about this. I assume that the prototypes they work with will not be parked outside while the competition is happening. With a professional D-SLR and a 400mm class lens, it's not like I'm going to be inconspicuous with my camera. Many, many people have enjoyed photos from the 2005 competition and I hope that I'll be able to provide more in 2006.

carcar
12-01-2005, 10:13 AM
If people are looking for a place to stay, I would have to say that the hotels by the Silverdome are a bit further than others. Looking the the website for Michigan Proving Grounds, they offer a list of hotels. They are located on a main highway south of Romeo. Should take only 30 min at most to drive there. There are quite a few hotels in this area along with lots of food/stores/places to drink your sorrows away.

There might be places closer, but there could be a strong possibility that they will be hole in the wall hotels.

Let me know if you need more information. I live in Utica and can try to offer more info if need be.

Cheers!
Carly

carcar
12-01-2005, 10:14 AM
Forgot to add the link.

http://www.testprofessionals.com/mpg/loc.html

magicweed
12-17-2005, 06:49 PM
With around 150 days (roughly 5 months) left till competition, I was wondering how far along people are. Given it's Christmas break for most of the schools in North America, what are you guys looking at doing over break. I helped our Captain Chassis bust ass to get our frame about 75% done only to see motors come in late, people with no idea how they're going to make a part and various other things. I saw this all last year, so I pretty much expected it, but was wondering how everyone else was doing. With any luck we'll make our running driving car by March 15th. But the closer it gets, the more luck I think it'll take.

drivetrainUW-Platt
12-17-2005, 10:01 PM
Frame is looking good. The engine guy got ahold of the engine and will be working on installing the Megasquirt over break. I have the stock honda atv parts and now I have to figure out how to make them work on our car. Intake calcuations are done and now we need to figure out how to fab it up. Brake parts are on order and we should see them shortly. Paddle shifter is built and installed on the car for testing/ ergonomics. Things are going ok, its finals week so everyone is burned out, hopefully we will get some things built over break and pick up strong next semester.

Mike Cook
12-18-2005, 11:56 PM
I"m going to go out on a slight limb here, but am going to say that our frame, which has not been started other than a jig being made, will be finished by jan 15th and a rolling chassis will be made by feb 1. I will soon post some pictures of how to build a frame in 3 weeks or less.

John Hunt
12-19-2005, 11:56 PM
The car is only waiting on one or two parts still in the mail. We should be driving her by January 1.

John Hunt
UF FSAE

Mike Cook
12-20-2005, 07:15 PM
Suck a ball http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hammock
12-20-2005, 07:52 PM
We as SDSM&T just kicked everything into high gear with the onset of Christmas vacation. The frame will be done by the end of break.

RiNaZ
01-03-2006, 08:07 PM
just wondering if any of the teams outthere has found a place to stay yet? any discounted hotels that is closed by?

mtg
01-03-2006, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by Mike Cook:
I"m going to go out on a slight limb here, but am going to say that our frame, which has not been started other than a jig being made, will be finished by jan 15th and a rolling chassis will be made by feb 1. I will soon post some pictures of how to build a frame in 3 weeks or less.

That seems a little hard to believe, unless you MIG together a turd box with just enough tubes to meet bare minimum.

Do you only want to meet the bare minimum with 15 tubes, or would you rather express yourself with 37 tubes like Brian University? Oh wait, I'm wandering with that one..

If you actually get the frame done that fast, I'd like to see some pictures.

RiNaZ
01-03-2006, 09:29 PM
building the frame in 3 weeks is not that impossible i think. And im sure if we had a good tube notcher, we could probably do in lesser time. And only 2-3 of us working on the frame. And i've always thought that the fabrication of the frame is the easiest part of getting the car done. It's those tiny little things that take so much time to finish.

so how long does it take you guys to make the frame mtg?

p/s: btw ... any suggestion on hotels for east this year guys?

Maverik
01-03-2006, 10:21 PM
We've gotten frame building down to a week before with about 6 guys working 10-12 hour days. It's possible, you really just have to know what you are doing. That included mounts, tabs, setting up the frame jigs, etc... I wouldn't recommend doing it that fast if you don't have to though!

mtg
01-04-2006, 06:57 AM
I guess I was assuming a certain level of quality and accuracy. Yes, I'm sure you can slap something together in a couple weeks; but to have all of the important points of the frame properly jigged, the tubes properly fitted with an acceptable tolerance, and the time to do high quality welds, weld on all the tabs, and anneal, you'd be real hard pressed to do a quality job of all that stuff in 3 weeks.

There are some webcam shots with dates stamps on the UMR website in the image library of frame building when I was on the team.

Mike Cook
01-04-2006, 09:30 AM
MTG, I don't appreciate your comment. Just because you might not be able to do a frame that quickly doesn't mean it can't be done. And Everything is jigged correctly and our gaps are pretty damn good. Here is a small album
umd picture album (http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=hwwpzge.803q6q4i&Uy=urwaue&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0)

Minus the time it took to do all the square tubes and the jig, we have about 5 days on this car. That is with 2 people working on it 8 hours a day. The jig took a few days and the square tubes took a few days .

mtg
01-04-2006, 09:58 AM
I stand corrected.

RacingManiac
01-04-2006, 10:04 AM
Our frame has been done(and off the jig) since 3 weeks ago....which is about the same time as last 2 years.....though the carbon panel will not be bonded in for sometime for accessibility reason...uprights will be completed by the end of the week and most suspension parts will be done as well...minus hubs which we are waiting for the sponsor to finish those. We are hoping to have a drivable car by end of Feb or early March...

At any rate, do we know if we can bring Camera this year to the event?

Mike Cook
01-04-2006, 11:08 AM
Don't sweat MTG. I have a lot of respect for you and UMR's car. You all did smoke our asses at nationals. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Dan G
01-04-2006, 10:35 PM
Quote from a previous student newsletter:
Ford generally does not permit cameras within the Michigan Proving Grounds, however for this event; they are working on a resolution to allow camera use only at competition site.
Hopefully we can bring the cameras!

My boys were busy on the frame over break, I think they did everything you see here in about 4-5 days...

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/FSAE06Fab
http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06Fab/DSCF2988.thumb.jpg http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06Fab/DSCF2995.thumb.jpg http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06Fab/DSCF3001.thumb.jpg http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06Fab/DSCF3003.thumb.jpg http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06Fab/DSCF3018.thumb.jpg http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06Fab/DSCF3044.thumb.jpg http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06Fab/DSCF3051.thumb.jpg http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06Fab/DSCF3059.thumb.jpg http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06Fab/DSCF3067.thumb.jpg http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06Fab/DSCF3068.thumb.jpg http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06Fab/DSCF3069.thumb.jpg http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06Fab/DSCF3073.thumb.jpg http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06Fab/DSCF3070.thumb.jpg http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06Fab/DSCF3071.thumb.jpg (http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/FSAE06Fab)

We had to cut/grind/weld on some extra tubes for toe protection last year, which is why we went a little overboard there. Also got chastized for not having enough elbow room.

Its 53 lbs right now, but we think the scale is actually a few pounds heavy. Still needs to be finish welded, as well as get all the tabs/brackets, you get the idea. Still pretty good results for a few days work! Just wish I was around to help out.

James Waltman
01-05-2006, 08:53 PM
Dan,
It looks like your car doesn't meet the rules for footbox triangulation. Check out the Excel Document that the rules committee put out last fall.

Here. (http://www.formulasae.org/forums/formula/dispatch.cgi/rules/showFile/100075/d20051101140123/No/Frnt%20Bulkhd%20Spt%20Trian_7939C.xls)
From Here. (http://www.formulasae.org/forums/formula/dispatch.cgi/rules/docProfile/100075/d20051101140123/No/3.3.6.2%20Triangulation)

Your chassis looks very similar to the "Not OK" picture listed in cell B20.
http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06Fab/DSCF3069.jpg
http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE06Fab/DSCF3062.jpg

It would suck to have to cut/grind/weld on some extra tubes' at competition again. Maybe I'm wrong or maybe the chassis isn't complete in your pictures. Feel free to tell me to shut up if either is the case. Nice looking chassis though.

Dan G
01-05-2006, 10:00 PM
I didn't have a hand in any of the frame design, but needless to say, I'll bring it up with those that did! Thanks for the heads up guys (PM from another contributor) I'd much rather fix things now than later!

jsmooz
01-06-2006, 09:54 AM
Thanks for the heads up James. I did not see the info from M. Royce. I was trying to plan to get away without the diagonal tube. I wanted to see what the torsional stiffness was without it before I decided to put it in or not. I know that this is the "weakest" area but wanted to see how bad it really was. Guess I need it for sure now.

Hope everyone's construction is going well.

magicweed
02-20-2006, 10:19 AM
bump for updates

Frame contruction completed, engine running with prototype intake and PE ECU, suspension underway (one corner done within the week), drivetrain spool construction underway while waiting for differential case (go interchangable parts!), mechanical shifter assembly near completion and adjustable pedal assembly 90% complete.

target driving date: March 13th

It's gonna be a close finish.

cornellracer56
04-05-2006, 01:26 PM
The 2006 Formula SAE comeptition rules state:

Site will open daily at 6:30 am for the teams. The site will officially close at 8:30pm and all teams must be offsite by 9pm. If you must take your car offsite, you will have to line up starting at 7pm and ready to leave by 8pm following an escort out of the event site.

Please have one member of your team sign this petition if you would like the rules to allow for teams to stay on site overnight to be able to work on their cars.

We understand that this rule will not likely be changed for the 2006 competition, but signing this petition can help change the rules for future years.

Here is the Link to the petition:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/FSAE_Rules/

StoopidSavant
04-15-2006, 12:46 AM
Any word on cameras being allowed at competition? And I mean real cameras, not sissy point-and-shoots. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Seriously though, I will be basing my attendance at comp on whether or not I can take pictures (since I don't really know anything about cars to be useful) and I'll have to use vacation time and buy a plane ticket.

http://stoopidsavant.com/v-web/gallery/albums/fsae_endurance/IMG_0009.jpg (http://stoopidsavant.com/v-web/gallery/0505fsae)

Garlic
04-15-2006, 09:06 AM
Since the original document on the SAE site first had two items - venue closing time and cameras -, and now it only concerns venue time, I'm fairly certain that they've solved the camera issue and they will be allowed in any shape or form, as usual.

JerryLH3
04-15-2006, 05:20 PM
They will be allowed.

See page two of the March 2006 Collegiate Design Series newsletter.

http://www.sae.org/students/cdsnewsletter0306.pdf

magicweed
05-03-2006, 05:12 AM
2 weeks

mario_rbr
05-03-2006, 05:24 AM
yeah 2 weeks, and a lot to do. Our fsae will leave the workshop by friday, what about other's int teams?

Antti Mikkonen
05-03-2006, 05:48 AM
Our car left to Detroit last Thursday.

Antti Mikkonen
Helsinki Polytechnic
www.formula.stadia.fi (http://www.formula.stadia.fi)

drivetrainUW-Platt
05-03-2006, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by Antti Mikkonen:
Our car left to Detroit last Thursday.

Antti Mikkonen
Helsinki Polytechnic
www.formula.stadia.fi (http://www.formula.stadia.fi)
Awsome, Looking foreward to droolin all over it yet again. thank god were only 9 hours away cuz ours isnt done yet, no time for overseas shipping

magicweed
05-07-2006, 04:23 AM
Yeah, ours is going out for its second drive today. However, we still need to deal with some things on a very basic level. Full race alignment, then a track day on tuesday, chassis dyno tuning wed, finalized bodywork, etc.

Hopefully it all comes together without anything too serious happening.

Edit: Destroyed our diff in the process, but it makes for a cool looking spool. Replacement Torsen being located as we speak.

Dr Claw
05-08-2006, 07:56 PM
USP's (brazil) car is already in detroit i think - it's the only race car sized box that's been shipped to our lab this month. I'm just patiently waiting for our brazilian friends to arrive. anyone else in the detroit area hosting an int. school?

magicweed
05-14-2006, 02:23 PM
Truck with the car just left with its escort. Wave 2 from UNH will be headed out the middle of tommorrow. Very (all emotions in the world) right now.

See everyone and their cars in a couple of days.

PatClarke
05-15-2006, 03:30 AM
Edit: Destroyed our diff in the process, but it makes for a cool looking spool. Replacement Torsen being located as we speak

If you can't, just get as much caster on as you can drive and some wheel spacers to give you some extra scrub. You might be surprised!!
Good Luck
Pat